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User	WolfStar | 2005-04-28 |
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Message	There’s nothing wrong with feeling happieness from being loved. It’s when that happiness is at the sole expense of others that it isn’t love anymore.

User	secret moon | 2005-04-28 |
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Message	I definitely agree with marysunshine. My happiest moments are definitely when I feel the most loved, and when I love those around me. But my unhappiest moments are when I feel that I am in a one-way relationship where I am the only one doing any loving... or a one-and-a-half-way relationship, or whatever. It take two people truly committed to one another (or more than two, for that matter) to really make a relationship worth it. -Secret

User	marysunshine | 2005-04-28 |
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Message	well, I have to say that I DO think love is the only way to find true happiness. It doesn’t have to be romantic love, but love of family and SELF, friendships, God...Life doesn’t exist in a vacuum in my opinion. I feel that solitude is actually an escape...and not true happiness. It usually makes folks comfortable if they’ve been burned by life in someway...more of a survival tactic for self-proclaimed victims than happiness, but whatever floats your boat.

User	Mister Fizzle | 2005-04-28 |
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Message	what the fucks a hunnybunch?

User	Katia | 2005-04-26 |
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Message	Hmmm. Ive never heard anyone say ’I hate myself when Im not with you’, and that does seem a rather....lost thing to say. But as to the ’Im nothing without you’ - people who are a ’we’ rather than just a ’you and I’ wont be necessarily ’nothing’ - but they will definitely no longer be the same people as they were when together. Other personalities affect our lives, like it or not - and in that sense, I think saying ’Im nothing without you’ is just a way to express the fear of losing someone who has become a part of your existence, and the inevitable change of self that a separation would bring. So to me, it doesnt seem all that bad, although slightly dramaticised - what gets to me is ’pumpkinpies’ and ’hunnybunches’ and the rest of all that. That is, however, a strictly personal preference - and if people feel completely comfortable and happy using said phrases in their relationships, then who am I to judge, huh? :) *shudders at the thought of being called ’hunnybunny* :))

User	secret moon | 2005-04-25 |
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Message	I agree with Mister Fizzle. It is pretty much incorporated into our culture -- from music and movies to books and other forms of communication -- that love is the only avenue to happiness. It takes some guts to actually get up and make your own happiness, so I guess that a lot of people would rather just have someone else make them happy. Just my theory. And yeah, like magnicat said, the fullest love you will ever have is when you "love thy neighbor as thyself" meaning you’ve got to love yourself too. Interesting topic. -Secret

User	Mister Fizzle | 2005-04-25 |
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Message	yeah thats a nice theory wolfstar... too bad humans for the most part have been taught from a young age via stories, television, movies, books and virtually any other input they might take interest in, that love is the key to happiness. so go figure. peace fizzle

User	mae | 2005-04-16 |
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Message	love deserves to be coddled and talked baby-talk to I like that. Yes, indeedy. mae

User	Seiraryu | 2005-04-14 |
Subject	Yeeowch.
Message	Huh. Guess formatting doesn’t work on the forums. Oops.

User	Seiraryu | 2005-04-14 |
Subject	Huh.
Message	.sp6.Well, like any other abstract concept or emotion, love is something that changes for everyone. We can give our emotions a general meaning, words that define an encompassing variety of feelings--but love to me may not be love to you. Maybe being in love to some people .i.is.ef. .sp.feeling complete. Maybe to others it’s completing them. You can never really know what love is to anyone but yourself. It’s like when one person steps out of a relationship, and the other says "If you really love me, how can you leave me?" Well...love is different for everyone. That’s just the way it is. .sp7.As for it being selfish...the human being is selfish. No matter how selfless you are, you’re being selfish. The word selfish comes from self, and we all have a self. I don’t want to get too philosophical, but in the end, everyone is selfish. Some people just show it more than others. Even if helping others makes you feel good--you don’t do it because it’s good for them--not entirely. You do it because it makes you feel good. For .i.YOU.ef.. .sp.That’s the way I see it, anyway. .sp7.Besides, as has been said before I got around to writing this: people get sappy and corny. Leave’em alone...love deserves to be coddled and talked baby-talk to. That’s what it’s all about...to me. Heh.

User	mae | 2005-04-14 |
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Message	Well, yes, if that’s the only reason for the relationship - if it doesn’t grow beyond that. If that’s the case, then these people have problems even outside of a relationship - which, of course, is what you both just said. Duh! sorry, guys. mae

User	EternitysLyre | 2005-04-13 |
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Message	Mae, I agree with you on all accounts of that but there ARE love-junkies out there. *laughs* So " people who search for love and get into relationships because it makes them feel like they are more, or mean more" still need help.

User	mae | 2005-04-13 |
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Message	I’ve been married 26 years this summer (to the same man even!). I know what you’re saying Wolfie, but there are times when everyone is needy and those words WOULD be true. I still love my husband and he still loves me and we are both as complete individuals as you’re ever gonna get. But our union is not so much a bond, as in glue, as it is rooted and grown together so that if one of us were to be removed, it would cause irreparable damage to the other as well. No one is a "whole", anyway. We all have gaps, parts of us that just seem to be missing (math!). I was blessed in finding someone who fills my gaps and whose gaps I fill. Together, we are complete; apart, we would each be lacking. And EL, who’s to say those words aren’t true for the person who wrote them? Love, like anything else - and I know you and Wolfie both know this - goes through stages of growth. At the beginning of a relationship, it’s just like a baby, focussed on self. How I feel when I’m with you; how I feel if you’re gone; I, I, I. As the relationship grows, if it grows, the focus tends to turn outward to your partner. An absolutely fantastic exampe of this is in The Song of Solomon or The Song of Songs in the Bible. When the Sulamite woman talks of her lover, at the beginning she says My beloved is mine and I am his. But by the end of the book, it’s switched to I am my beloved’s and he is mine. She’s gone from "owning" her lover to being "owned" by him. So, it just kind of depends where they are in the relationship whether those words are true. And besides, Wolfie, ordinarily intelligent, sane people go all sappy when they’re in love, so don’t put much stock into what they write! mae

User	EternitysLyre | 2005-04-10 |
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Message	Those people have mental diseases--go look ’em up :P

User	magnicat | 2005-04-09 |
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Message	if you can’t love yourself, you can’t really fully love someone else.

User	WolfStar | 2005-04-09 |
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Message	What I mean is, those people who search for love and get into relationships because it makes them feel like they are more, or mean more. What I’m saying is that the partners these people choose will suffer from this constant need without anything in return.

User	EternitysLyre | 2005-04-09 |
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Message	And yet two halves can make a whole, can it not? Or cannot one whole take another half, leaving one incomeplete? The sensation of lacking and emptiness when abruptly pried from a relationship can cause such words to surface; but they’re not all that true. Uhhh.yeah.