| User | Starless Knight |
| Topic | How we came to be |
| Message | Evolution versus creationism - what have you heard? What do you personally believe about the whole issue? |
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| User | kanu | 2006-02-24 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | To make that statement you would have to be familiar with all the minds operating of living entities in the universe or assume that there is nothing greater than your mind.
There is a story of two frogs that lived in a dark well with a little bit of water in it.. One of them went away and saw the pacific ocean and brought the news back "I have seen a great body of water, bigger than your pond". The other frog inquired "How big? Three times bigger than my pond? Ten times? Could it even be a hundred times bigger?" |
| User | Starless Knight | 2006-02-24 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | Existance is too complex to have been created by one mind. Call me irrational if you will, but that is what I think. There is just no evidence to show me that your ’god’ or any other being created everything - there’s little evidence wither way, accutally. So on this point, it’s rally just a matter of opinion. |
| User | kanu | 2006-02-24 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | Well how can you talk of laws with out a law maker? Do you have any experience of seeing laws enforced by something that is not sentinent?
How do you explain that even though a crayon picture of the sun by a 4 year old is indesputably the work of a sentinent intelligence (even though it is a mere molecular construction of crayons and paper) yet the actual sun (which is an incalculable number of times more complex in molecular construction and function) has no sentinent intelliugence that created. How can you demand to see god, the cause of all causes in the universe, with your blunt senses when you are not even qualified to see the temporary ruler of an insignificant continent on the earth called america? If you want to wait until you can see god revealed to you in all his glory before you move an inch towards him you will be waiting a long time. Even a scientist who is reasearching something mundane doesn’t spend their hours goofing off at the cinema while they are waiting for something to jump under their microscope or whatever. |
| User | ghostknight | 2006-02-24 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | um, excuse the fuck out of me, but weren’t you the one saying that we couldn’t be designed at all without the helping hand of a superior being? i’ve merely pointed out the fact that you’ve declared ’scienteists’ as supporting your ideals, yet once again you have yet to provide proof of their actual written word as you so claim to have read.
for the last time, please provide proof of your claims. otherwise, i have no choice but to ignore you from now on. i’d figure a follower of god could at least provide some proof of his master... |
| User | kanu | 2006-02-24 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | If you make the statement that life is too complex to be designed it is proof of your irrationality (unless you are saying that it is too complex to be designed by humans). So I guess it is a round about way of saying that there is no possibility of anything being more intelligent in the entire universe than a human being - god (which is also a kind of sad statement if you base it on what screens for prime time tv viewing) |
| User | ghostknight | 2006-02-24 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | wait wait WAIT, i’ve read through the last two pages of post and i’ve noticed that people are declaring that scientists are admitting that life is too complex to be accidental? who the fuck said that? please provide some proof. i need to hear this one. |
| User | kanu | 2006-02-23 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | If the laws are so simple why do they evade our ability to surmount them or even reproduce them - I mean we are left with a few sketchy observations of the world around us and are left with such things as "by random" and "chance" until we manage to work things out a bit.
Still stands as anillogical statement - If you saw a painting of the sun in a kindergarten you would automatically deduce that it was drrawn by someone (a 4 year old) but when you observe the sun in reality you cannot say that it has intelligent design - and what’s the reason - its too complex for me to design. Just as well that the universe is in more capable hands I guess |
| User | Starless Knight | 2006-02-23 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | I stand with Icarus - some designs are just too complex for anything even resembling one consciousness to be able to make. As a counter example, take the modern human. We are so goddamned complex that not only can we not create one (barring reproduction, mind you - you get the idea) but we can’t even fix half the problems that go wrong. The ’design’ of the universe was pulled into place by very simple laws. Gravity, for one, is quite a factor, as well as other laws like that. Heh. |
| User | kanu | 2006-02-22 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | Icarus I think you just gave good reasons for the opposite conclusion of your thesis ... if the universe is massive and way bigger and more complex than a ferrari (can we say that all ferraris require designers - unless you’ve seen one recently that formed out of an explosion of random chemicals or something) so it stands to reason that the universe must also have a creator - the difference is of course that it is not designed by a human |
| User | Toxic_Rayne | 2006-02-22 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | lol, yeah, me too |
| User | Starless Knight | 2006-02-22 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | More than one, would be my guess. I always thought belief that we are alone was a little arrogant! |
| User | Icarus | 2006-02-22 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | the arguement that the position of the earth, it’s gravity, orbit etc. are so perfect for life that it must have been created by a god is complete bullshit. and why? because the universe is fucking massive and contains millions and millions of stars and probably an even larger amount of planets. that one of these planets happens to be perfect for life? my god! what are the chances? |
| User | DarkenedSoul | 2006-02-22 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | Many fields of science and their respective scientists from nuclear physisists to geologists and numerologists have all concluded that creation is too perfect for human existence to have been an accident that occured maturally.The worlds foremost geologist studied the oldest rocks on earth for years before he announced his conclusion that as far as he could tell those rocks had been spontainiously created.Numerologists say that the odds of even one intelligent lifeform evolving on earth is so astronomical that they declared it impossible.Earth’s gravity, orbit (distance from the sun), rotation, planetary position in our solar system, atmosphere, and many other factors are all perfectly set to sustain human life.If any of these conditions were changed in the sleightest it would be devastating for all life as we know it.Even with all of our technological advancements we still can’t duplicate all of the things that occur in nature.Molecular fusion (the same process that fuels the sun) is just now becoming a possability but we have no way of controlling or harnessing its potential.However the horn of a rhino is actually hairs that are molecularly fused together (without a nuclear explosion).How do we explain all of these things if not a creator. |
| User | kanu | 2006-02-22 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | Well just imagine if you woke up some where and you had no idea how you got there or even where "here" is . What would you think? "Oh well, I guess I will go off to work now ..." and whistle down the street. To be curious would be sane and to not be curious is evidence of the highly sedative forces in motion in the world. |
| User | Magnolia Steele | 2006-02-17 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | Neither ideas sound good when you put it that way! I almost don’t want to know. It just a bit freaky for my taste to know the truth. This is a family secret that should stay buried. lol.
Maggie |
| User | Magnolia Steele | 2006-02-17 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | To pass the time of living. lol.
Maggie |
| User | Magnolia Steele | 2006-02-17 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | I guess if you know where you come from you learn how to handle the future.
Maggie |