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User	kanu | 2006-06-15 |
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Message	well karma is directed by divine influence - but it is an inferior divine energy - in other words it is god’s external energy that moves and shapes all living entities regardless of their designation - but for one who is surrendered to God they come under the purview of god directly - in other words god takes a personal interest in the rewards and punishments allotted for his devotee but everyone else who is not attached to him through service is controlled by karma "This divine enrgy of mine (karma) is very difficult to overcome but for one who surrenders unto me can easily cross beyond it."

User	Blue Monk | 2006-06-15 |
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Message	I view karma as being translatable into Divine reward or justice. Maybe it doesn’t happen right away, but it does happen at some point. Could it be that simple?

User	kanu | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	Wehave many karmas heading our way but two are very difficult to surmount - one of them is the situation that will surround your death - in other words the moment you are born you are charted to die in a certain situation due to karma

User	supergirl_in_oh | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	yea ok

User	kanu | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	People don’t engineer karma - the laws of nature do - that’s why it appears like coincidence or chance

User	supergirl_in_oh | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	karma is just people getting revenge

User	kanu | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	What does that mean? That people do stupid things and get the result of it?

User	supergirl_in_oh | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	true dat

User	Toxic_Rayne | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	True...but sometimes people do take karma into their own hands. *tox*

User	Toxic_Rayne | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	True...but sometimes people do take karma into their own hands. *tox*

User	kanu | 2006-06-05 |
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Message	Nobody receives an inch of anything in the name of karma that they haven’t engineered by their previous activities

User	Toxic_Rayne | 2006-06-05 |
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Message	I think we make our own karma...I don’t think karma is a thing that just happens, we make our own karma by revenge...and sometimes others make it happen for us. *tox*

User	kanu | 2006-06-01 |
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Message	On the contrary if the laws of karma were even an inch more lenient in delivering us the result of our previous activities we would most likely be completely content to stay for eternity in this inferior world - the enjoying propensity to be seperate form god is so great that even as the laws of karma stand at the moment it is very difficult for a person to accept the shelter of god in all circumstances (and abandon that intelligence directed by sin) despite undergoing so many tribulations - I could very well use my own example - thats our greatest misfortune - ie having no attachment to god and thinking we are happy (or wondering why we are not happy) in the interim period ....

User	kanu | 2006-05-31 |
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Message	BG 7.14 This divine energy of Mine, consisting of the three modes of material nature, is difficult to overcome. But those who have surrendered unto Me can easily cross beyond it. BG 18.48 If you become conscious of Me, you will pass over all the obstacles of conditioned life by My grace. If, however, you do not work in such consciousness but act through false ego, not hearing Me, you will be lost. BG 4.11 As all surrender unto Me, I reward them accordingly. Everyone follows My path in all respects, O son of Påthä. Karma is the external laws of god that operate when we have reservations about operating under his internal ones. In all cases the external and internal laws are completely subservient to Him. It takes piety to turn to god in times of distress but the question arises what are you doing with your life in times of joy? If your service attitude to god is mixed expect god’s reciprocation with you to also be mixed

User	Chell | 2006-05-31 |
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Message	So, when you told Toxic that the reason her life sucks is because of something she’s done in a previous life she should just accept that when she came to God with her little tin cup outstreached and nothing was being put in it that it’s because God can not overcome karma and give her a leg up? Is there no succor that God can give to a confused, seeking young woman because the karma from her previous life is too great? Does that mean that God can not overcome all things? Is karma bigger than God? And if karma is the great equalizer then there is no need for judgement day. We just need to keep repeating life over and over again until we eliminate all the negative karma from our checklist and then we are pure and accepted to heaven, right?

User	kanu | 2006-05-31 |
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Message	There is the example that if you take a flight from London to LA you are predestined to go there - you know you cannot change your mind halfway in the flight - but while on the flight there are many things that you can do that could affect your future - ranging from deciding on what inflight drinks you take, make plans what to do when you arrive in LA or wrestle the controls off the pilot and fly it into a building - now when you land, according to your previous actions, you will have an array of possibilites before us - we might have spent all our money on the inflight merchandise, we might be drunk, we might be arrested by the FBI or we may go directly go to the travel agent and go where we wanted to mid flight. The conclusion is that you are free to do whatever you want but you are not free from the reactions of those activities - just like if you eat 5 kg of deep fried potato you will have bowel problems. As for how to act in this world there is one quote that comes to mind "One who works in devotion who is a pure soul, and who controls his mind and senses is dear to everyone, and everyone is dear to him. Though always working, such a man is never entangled" (BG 4.7) In otherwords they would not be condescending because they have high regard for other living entities but at the same time it is not like they live like a human punching bag or recluse - according to the situation they act accordingly, like for instance they may act crooked when dealing with a crooked person, or chastise for the benefit of someone 9like a parent chastises their child)

User	Chell | 2006-05-31 |
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Message	**all thinmgs are dictated by our previous acts - this is destiny - this is karma** So, we are all pre-destined to be who we are? We have no control over our destinies? They have been decided by actions in past lives? Lives which we have no recollection? Our paths were set by the actions we took in a past life? Did we had the right to choose in those past lives? So, it doesn’t matter how good we are because we may just be slated to live through the accumulated bad karma of a previous life? Is that what you’re saying? If you tick someone off with a condescending, better-than-thou, know it all attitude in this life, does that mean it will we held against you in the next life? What constitutes thinking badly of someone? If you think they’re wrong in their beliefs is that thinking badly of someone? If someone gets offended by your religious ideals is that causing harm? Just curious about how this whole karma, predestination thingy works...

User	kanu | 2006-05-31 |
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Message	Well then you must be in the midst of receiving previous reactions - if one causes harm with one’s words to another living entity - some other living entity will harm us with their word. -if one harms another living entity by thinking badly of them another living entity will harm us bythinking badly of us -if one harms another living entity with their body another living entity will harm us with their body Friends are not the ultimate cause of happiness. Enemies are no the ultimate cause of misery. Material prosperity does not follow material intelligence and happiness doesn’t follow money - all thinmgs are dictated by our previous acts - this is destiny - this is karma

User	Toxic_Rayne | 2006-05-31 |
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Message	I’ve always had my "little tin cup" outstretched, but nothing ever gets put into it. *tox*

User	kanu | 2006-05-30 |
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Message	There is an injunction taht one should become a teacher, parent or politician unless they can deliver their dependants from repeated birth and death - in otherwords people in these positions represent something greater than themselves - and when they behave improperly it becomes more difficult for their dependants to accept god’s authority as beneficial - rather they mix authority with their experiences of madness and abuse - but still it is no disqualification - on the contrary it can be a great qualification for spiritual life since it reveals the intrinsic reality of this world (ie - its nuts) - there is even one saintly woman (queen Kunti) who underwent incredible reverses in life yet she prayed (at the end of her life) that those miseries would happen again and again because they were opportunities to remember the lotus feet of god (and by remembering the lotus feet of god one’s business in the material world is finished) In short it doesn’t really matter how you come to spiritual life, whether you were performing austerities in the himalyas or came up like a rat through the floor boards in winter - but for most of us we come to god with our little tin cup outstretched -