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User	angelfyre | 2006-04-09 |
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Message	banned. if we want the human race to be protected we should sacrifice human beings. if we want to keep rats safe, then sacrifice a rat. make sense?

User	BusterLILblock | 2006-04-08 |
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Message	i think animal testing is evil and cruel but i guess it is ok if it is for some things like something that we cant test on humans o something well my time is running out so i got to go ill finish this later

User	DrkRomeo_sGirl | 2006-04-05 |
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Message	It should be fuckin banned, i love animals. I think they should do test on MJ . Hes already fucked. so leave the poor animals alone. lol

User	abuzzbuzz92 | 2006-04-03 |
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Message	yes

User	ghostknight | 2006-03-27 |
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User	kanu | 2006-03-27 |
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Message	Well if anyone can pass the university entrance examinations I think they should be allowed to sit tests no matter what animal they might be.

User	joeyalphabet | 2006-03-14 |
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Message	None of her conditions are life-threatening, but they are chronic and painful. She also suffers from depression as a result of all this. she used to be very active and this has taken an emotional toll on her. Despite all that she’s holding her own. Thanx for the kind thoughts and prayers.

User	Rastine Aristat | 2006-03-14 |
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Message	You’re welcome, although I’m sorry I couldn’t be more help. I truly hope your wife finds a way to combat her illnesses without drugs. I’ve seen too many people die or be reduced to husks of the people they were from the meds that are "curing" them to wish it unto anybody else. I will pray for her strength to whichever gods chose to listen. You as well shall be in my thoughts, for this must be a harrowing time for you both.

User	joeyalphabet | 2006-03-13 |
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Message	Not a touchy subject or anything, just don’t think it would help my wife. She has a bunch of conditions all taken together and she’s in a lot of pain all the time. Unfortunately, between them all it’s very debilitating. I don’t know she would be able to do herbal remedies exclusively and since she’s on so many meds she can’t take them for one particular condition (they could interact just like regular medicines). But thank you for the offer. It is appreciated. :-)

User	Rastine Aristat | 2006-03-12 |
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Message	joeyalphabet, if you would like, I have plenty of freetime on most days, so I could do some research into herbalistic or wholistic remedies for your wife’s condition. I can’t promise anything, since I don’t know much about herbs, only that they have been used for ever to treat and alieviate our pains. Unless it’s a touchy subject to share, if so, just let me know, and I’ll let you in peace about it. However, as to the quacks that believe in holistic healing are no worse than the quacks that you find in the regular medical practice, It’s just more commonly accepted that all holistic practitioners will be loons, since they don’t do things the conventional way. However everybody knows that doctors are prone to screw ups, not all of them, but enough to make people wary, just listen to some of the urban legends, and some of them are truth. Doctors doing surgury wrong, administering the wrong meds, concfusing right and left etc... I personally was perscribed penicillin right after telling the doctor that I was lethally alergic to it. I have the oppinion that doctors really don’t care about our well being, but rather their wallets, but that’s an oppinion that I don’t expect anybody to share, however, I think it wise to take as few drugs as possible, not because of any distrust, but rather due to the potential of becoming addicted. There’s been too many addictive drugs, and some of them warn you that they are addictive in the one point font that they use for the side effects. Anyhow, let me know if you want me to research the holistic remedies for both your high blood pressure, and your wife’s conditions, although I’d need to know what they are, so that I can look up specifically what has worked in the past. Also, non-medecine, or holistic treatments aren’t only about remedies, they are more of a lifestyle to prevent all illness, but they have herbalistic remedies for many ailments, including cancer and some mental disorders. Holistic awareness focuses on the whole wellbeing, physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual(not necessarily religious), and most people are simply not willing to make a lifestyle of being healthy, but would rather just pop pills and pretend that everything’s better when the symptomes are just made to go away for a while. Temporary relief, what creul, ironic words. salaam.

User	joeyalphabet | 2006-03-10 |
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Message	You can’t always anticipate an adverse reaction (that doesn’t apply in the case of Vioxx, for example). Sometimes medicines go through years of testing and still people have severe reactions not shown in testing because the only way you can find out is to test the stuff on everyone, which is impractical. As for alternative medicine, I do believe some of it works (some herbs, accupuncture for some things like arthritis pain), but they need to clean up their act too to get the quacks out if they want widespread acceptance. I’d love to give my wife a non-medication alternative to her condistions (she takes like 20 meds right now).

User	Rastine Aristat | 2006-03-10 |
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Message	Personally, I say test them on the designers, that’ll make them want to make it safe to use. Or better yet on the FDA, they seem to want to appear like they care, let’s give them a reason to really care if the drugs they are allowing to be distributed are safe, not just costly money bringers. Ok, that probably sounds creul, but I think that it’s about time that these people had to be exposed to what they make/distribute as safe, without a simple "oops" and a few thousand in damages for somebody who died from an unsuspected reaction...

User	onetruesmartass | 2006-03-09 |
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Message	Hm, that’s a tough question. I don’t think animals should be used in testing for things like makeup, cleaning products and whether or not Pepsi makes your penis shrivel (it’s a joke people), but I do think it’s important to know all the risks and ramifications for medications and medical proceedures. And besides, the ACLU would lose their collective minds if we did experiments on people. How else are we going to know if it’s safe? *onetruesmartass*

User	Rastine Aristat | 2006-03-09 |
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Message	I’ve only found one medicine that I have any real problems with also, although as I said, I don’t take many often, and usually wait for my body to fight off disease, however, I do see your guys’ points. It is necessary to aleviate the ailments of our people, although I don’t know...I think that there’s a better way to do it. However, I trust synthetic medeines less probably than I should because I’ve known people to get really messed up because of them. Also, it doesn’t help that the FDA will ban herbalistic meds because they work on animals as well as on people, story I heard on the news a couple years back. A good part of it is that I have known too many people who led shitty lives because of the medecines they had to take to fight of their illnesses than had they simply lived their life and let the disease kill them quietly. I’m not saying that they are horrible, or that everybody should distrust medecine, I just think that there are better ways to cure ourselves. And I have the beliefe that if I can’t be fixed by what occurs naturally, then I don’t need to be fixed (this being due to watching my grandmother die from her cancer treatment, and watching one of my friends suffering from it right now.) I’ll probably get cancer too, since it supposedly runs in my family on both sides, and when I do, I’ll die from it. Until then, I just have each dawn to look forward to, and each dusk to count. Salaam. Oh, and joyalphabet, I hope that you are able to find a natural way to combat your high blood pressure, if you even care to.

User	Rokhal | 2006-03-09 |
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Message	The danger of designer drugs is that people tend to have the mentality that the human body has a user-interface that can be manipulated by chemicals. I need to sleep at ten, therefore there should be a drug that will make me sleep. The problem is that drugs have to physically operate somehow, on the cellular level, and cells have many different possible reactions to the chemical signals that drugs commonly mimic. Many drugs like Prozac do things that plant-derived medicines just can’t, probably because plants don’t protect themselves by secreting chemicals that make herbivores feel happy. Chocolate lift moods, but it works by mimicking oxytocin. Oxytocin causes smooth muscles to contract, like blood vessels, the uterus, milk ducts, and intestines. Imagine the side-effects of enough theobromine (the active ingredient in chocolate) to raise a major depressive’s mood. One reason Prozac can lead to suicide is that once it starts to work, the patient still feels horrible, but he’s also getting active enough to do something about it. If he succeeds, he was probably alone and unmonitored, surely part of the reason he was depressed in the first place. Drugs are just tools, but it’s unreasonable not to use the tools you have unless the risks outweigh the rewards. Of course, everyone’s risk tolerance is different.

User	joeyalphabet | 2006-03-09 |
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Message	You do know, Rastine, that during the testing process that if even one person reports something, the drug company has to include it as a side effect? So if I report being tired [which could be for any reason], ’fatigue’ will be listed as a possible side effect. The reason there are so many varieties of medications is everyone’s different. I’ve only had one bad reaction to medicine in my life (it wasn’t severe), but my wife has had many. You also have to keep in mind that medicine is what keeps a lot of people alive. I take meds for my high blood pressure (it runs in my family). I have to, otherwise I’ll have a stroke or heart attack.

User	kanu | 2006-03-09 |
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Message	I think LIB is a religious zealot but fortunately he is the only member of his denomination so we have nothing to worry about

User	Rastine Aristat | 2006-03-08 |
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Message	Here’s some of the common side effects, just picking out some commonly used drugs. Prozac/Zoloft · an allergic reaction (difficulty breathing; closing of the throat; swelling of the lips, tongue, or face; or hives); · an irregular heartbeat or pulse; · low blood pressure (dizziness, weakness); · high blood pressure (severe headache, blurred vision); · chills or fever; · unusual bleeding or bruising; · a rash or hives. • If you experience any of the following less serious side effects, continue taking fluoxetine and talk to your doctor: · headache, tremor, nervousness, or anxiety; · difficulty concentrating; · nausea, diarrhea, dry mouth, or changes in appetite or weight; · weakness; · increased sweating; · sleepiness or insomnia; or · decreased sex drive, impotence, or difficulty having an orgasm. Claritin an allergic reaction (difficulty breathing; closing of the throat; swelling of the lips, tongue, or face; or hives); · an irregular heartbeat; or · seizures. • Other, less serious side effects may be more likely to occur. Continue to take loratadine and talk to your doctor if you experience · drowsiness or dizziness; · headache; · nervousness; · nausea, diarrhea, or abdominal discomfort; · dry mouth; · dry skin or itchiness; or · discoloration of urine. NyQuil and other cold medecines Cold, clammy skin; confusion (severe); convulsions (seizures); drowsiness or dizziness (severe); nervousness or restlessness (severe); pinpoint pupils of eyes; slow heartbeat; slow or troubled breathing; weakness (severe); Diarrhea; increased sweating; loss of appetite; nausea or vomiting; stomach cramps or pain; swelling or tenderness in the upper abdomen or stomach area; Any loss of hearing; bloody urine; confusion; convulsions (seizures); diarrhea (severe or continuing); dizziness or lightheadedness; drowsiness (severe); excitement or nervousness (severe); fast or deep breathing; fever; hallucinations (seeing, hearing, or feeling things that are not there); increased sweating; nausea or vomiting (severe or continuing); shortness of breath or troubled breathing (for salicylamide only); stomach pain (severe or continuing); uncontrollable flapping movements of the hands, especially in elderly patients; unusual thirst; vision problems; Fast, pounding, or irregular heartbeat; headache (continuing and severe); nausea or vomiting (severe); nervousness or restlessness (severe); shortness of breath or troubled breathing (severe or continuing). THere’s lots more, but these are some over the counter drugs, except for prozac and proloft, which had less side effects than over the counter cold medecines. Reference - drugs.com That’s why I don’t take synthetic medicines if I can avoid it, and why I don’t believe that they should be tested on people, or animals, morally, but they have to be tested on something...I guess that if we’re going to use synth drugs, it’s better the animals than us, although I just wonder how many we kill. I personally say to test them on the makers of the drugs. Ok, that’s not going to happen, and I doubt that any of these people would actually take their final products, let alone in the testing stages. That whole thing with ambien sounds kind of like the Zoloft suit that just happened (does anybody know if/how that was settled?) The one about making patients more suicidal than they were already...scary stuff if you ask me.

User	Rokhal | 2006-03-08 |
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Message	Come to think of it, I don’t know of any harmful side effects in particular. I do think the reason most of our drugs come from nature is just that designer drugs haven’t been around too long. I did find this freaky article in the New York Times about Ambien. It’s a sleeping pill. Apparently, people who take it with alcohol are at an increased risk of driving while asleep, urinating in public, and whaling on the police officers who confront them, then waking up in jail with no memory of how they got there. One woman got out, uncorked, and drank half a bottle of wine in her sleep, then went on a little joyride to prison. Wierd, wild stuff. Gotta love psychotropics. One advantage to natural medicines is that they’ve been around longer, so we know all the things they’re likely to do. But it’s good to keep an open mind about synthetic medicines, especially when the drug has been around a few years and it’s gotten predictable.

User	joeyalphabet | 2006-03-08 |
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Message	Since 90% of them are rats and mice, who cares? The small percentage that aren’t are supposed to be cared for and destroyed humanely. So why is that a problem? I get so sick of animal ’rights’ activists who don’t give a damn about human beings but animals are so much more important? Not to mention the extremists who threaten researchers and their families and destroy labs.