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User	kanu | 2006-12-20 |
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Message	there is always the room for you to like animals more by eating them less - at the very least you are robbing yourself of an opportunity to display how much you like them every time you make the decision to eat them

User	Castalia | 2006-12-20 |
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Message	There are two kinds of vegetarians... 1. Health Vegetarians and 2. Animal vegetarians. Number 1, I don’t get the "health" part in this since I have frineds that are vegetarians and they told me that since they became vegetariasn they had more weight, and it’s only logical since you neat a lot more dairy and stuff like that. Number 2, I guess that it’s a good purpose being a vegetarian if that’s what you believe... But just because I like animals, I’m not going to quit eating them...

User	kanu | 2006-11-28 |
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Message	If one accepts that thier target audience isn’t listening, what does it say about that person’s intelligence when they continue to talk? ****If they weren’t listening they wouldn’t respond ;) Diet is about changing all of our ’comfortable’ life’s habits. That’s my point. Thinking that you can tell someone why it’s important to stop eating meat and then thinking that they’ll listen is ludicris. ***** How else do people change their diet - or any habit actually - ESP? Diet is connected to lifestyles- and in the U.S. lifestyle is all about fast food, convience stores, and supermarkets full of pre-packaged and pre-made food. And the right to make bad decisions...just look at our current president... ****Therefore the distribution of information about the realities behind such industries and suitable alternatives is valuable Keep talking, but don’t expect that any is going to change. **** lol - general good advice for any net debate thread you care to mention (although I have experience of actually introducing people to vegetarianism on threads not dissimilar to this one - but actually my real interest is presenting this publicly (ie in the REAL world) so I find it valuable to "sharpen my wit" on forums like this just so I have a stockpile of info (the resources of the net combined with the steadfdast determinism of a net debater of the antiparty is the precise missing ingredient required to develop the basis for a good presentation) - I am not surprised that I don’t influence you - I do however thank you for your contributions since you have helped inspire many a successful presentation of vegetarian precepts (usually to visiting school children) If people in this country aren’t overly concerned about how many of our boys and girls are dying in Iraq, about the near extinction of the bald eagle, about the pollution we create with our SUV’s, do you think they give a crap about fuzzy little creatures? **** its another straw on the camel’s back, no doubt Changing a diet is easy, holding onto it without initiating major lifestyle changes is danged near impossible. **** simple for the simple hearted As long as people in the States have the freedom to choose what they want to eat, meat will be on the menu- regardless of the education. *****Statistics indicate a rapid decline in meat consumption, compared to 40 years ago (40 years ago you couldn’t even find a vegetarian course at a restaurant) I do have to ask- if everyone stops eating animals, where will all those animals live? Who will provide food and land for them if there’s no money to be made off their care? I mean, if we drop all the cows, chickens, turkeys, and hogs off in the Yellowstone National Wildlife Refuge- or any wildlife refuge- the bears, coyotes, and wolves will pick them off in no time- is that more humane? And there isn’t anyone in the States that would want 1000 head of cows or wild pigs, or millions of turkeys or chickens just strolling through their back yards. *****I too would be surprised if vast numbers of people became a vegetarian tomorrow since a more likely optimistic development would be that it happens over several generations

User	Chell | 2006-11-28 |
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Message	**(BTW how many different vegetarian dishes do you know how to cook?) ** Thousands, so far. The diet I am struggling to keep consists of fruit, vegitables, carbohydrates, water, and small amounts of meat. (No refined sugars, no meat and carb. combinations, steamed foods- instead of boiled or baked, no carbonated drinks, no alcohol, no dairy.) I eat meat sparingly- usually when the iron pills don’t pull me back out of my anemia- but that’s all besides the point. **and also if one accepts this data and knows that vegetarianism is more beneficial, what does it say about one’s intellgence if one doesn’t change their habits?** If one accepts that thier target audience isn’t listening, what does it say about that person’s intelligence when they continue to talk? Diet is about changing all of our ’comfortable’ life’s habits. That’s my point. Thinking that you can tell someone why it’s important to stop eating meat and then thinking that they’ll listen is ludicris. Diet is connected to lifestyles- and in the U.S. lifestyle is all about fast food, convience stores, and supermarkets full of pre-packaged and pre-made food. And the right to make bad decisions...just look at our current president... Keep talking, but don’t expect that any is going to change. If people in this country aren’t overly concerned about how many of our boys and girls are dying in Iraq, about the near extinction of the bald eagle, about the pollution we create with our SUV’s, do you think they give a crap about fuzzy little creatures? Changing a diet is easy, holding onto it without initiating major lifestyle changes is danged near impossible. As long as people in the States have the freedom to choose what they want to eat, meat will be on the menu- regardless of the education. I do have to ask- if everyone stops eating animals, where will all those animals live? Who will provide food and land for them if there’s no money to be made off their care? I mean, if we drop all the cows, chickens, turkeys, and hogs off in the Yellowstone National Wildlife Refuge- or any wildlife refuge- the bears, coyotes, and wolves will pick them off in no time- is that more humane? And there isn’t anyone in the States that would want 1000 head of cows or wild pigs, or millions of turkeys or chickens just strolling through their back yards.

User	kanu | 2006-11-27 |
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Message	BTW the benefits of a vegetarian diet are often rebuked by persons (somewhat fallaciously of course) and also if one accepts this data and knows that vegetarianism is more beneficial, what does it say about one’s intellgence if one doesn’t change their habits?

User	kanu | 2006-11-27 |
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Message	Obviously you have no experience teaching. Its always a case of repetition? (BTW how many different vegetarian dishes do you know how to cook?)

User	Chell | 2006-11-27 |
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Message	**the only inconvenience in initiating the change of diet is one of education** HAHAHAHAHAHA! That’s the funniest thing I’ve ever heard! Seriously! ROTF LMAO!!same time! Kanu, do you really believe that we don’t know the arguments for vegitarianism??? You have been educating people on this thread for over a year. I am very well aware of thet health, economic, environmental and spiritual advantages of adopting a veigtarian diet. Learning about it was the easy part. Changing a diet is hard. There’s, currently, 2,820,000 sites selling diet pills. Pills to help people change what, and decrease how much, they eat. If converting to a vegitarian diet was simply a matter of education, everyone you’ve enlightened would be one...

User	kanu | 2006-11-26 |
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Message	untitled Message Do you even realize how little of sense you’re making? Completely serious here, you’re talking in circles around yourself. What the hell are you talking about? Have you even been paying attention to anything I’ve written or are you just shooting off the top of your head? I’m saying everyone has the right to eat, live and be as they choose...you’re talking about shooting ideas in the foot....HUH?? Soo..as far as you’re concerned, people DON’T have the right to eat, live and be as they choose? Gee, who’s the facist now? *onetruesmartass* *** Unlike you, I have never legislated that you don’t have the right to express your opinion - thats something quite distinct from testing an opinion for its logical premises - like for instance there are distinct health, economic, environmental and spiritual advantages to adopting a vegetarian diet - and given that over 99% of people active on the net subsist from a supermarket, the only inconvenience in initiating the change of diet is one of education

User	Toxic_Rayne | 2006-11-26 |
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Message	Yeah, to each their own, but I’m sticking with eating both meat and vegetables. *tox*

User	UnderlinedInRed | 2006-11-23 |
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Message	Yah as a vegetarian..theres a few reasons why... 1) saves unnecessary killing of animals. 2) shows i actually do have will-power in something 3) helps to keep kosher by ALOT.

User	Toxic_Rayne | 2006-11-15 |
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Message	agreement...major agreement *tox*

User	onetruesmartass | 2006-11-14 |
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Message	Do you even realize how little of sense you’re making? Completely serious here, you’re talking in circles around yourself. What the hell are you talking about? Have you even been paying attention to anything I’ve written or are you just shooting off the top of your head? I’m saying everyone has the right to eat, live and be as they choose...you’re talking about shooting ideas in the foot....HUH?? Soo..as far as you’re concerned, people DON’T have the right to eat, live and be as they choose? Gee, who’s the facist now? *onetruesmartass*

User	kanu | 2006-11-14 |
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Message	which brings us to the platform of the presentation of ideas, so I guess your clamouring for "you have no right to tell me what is right" is hopping around on one foot at the moment since it has just shot itself in the foot ;)

User	| 2006-11-13 |
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Message	Absolutely. You have the right to say whatever whenever wherever you choose, just like I have the right to say you’re full of it. ;) *onetruesmartass*

User	kanu | 2006-11-09 |
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Message	If you have the right to tell me what you think it is right to say, then wouldn’t I also have the right to suggest otherwise? ;)

User	| 2006-11-08 |
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Message	Absolutely, Kanu. If someone feels it is personally unethical to eat meat, then more power to them in their lifestyle choices. Doesn’t give them the right to tell me I’m evil because I don’t feel the same. *onetruesmartass*

User	kanu | 2006-11-08 |
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Message	how do you figure? What, just because alaska’s cold? Is that your proof? **** of course you could be living in many areas outside of alaska - the gobi desert of china comes to mind, as does the desolate regions of central australia - in otherwords I am assuming that a person who has internet access also has access to a variety of groceries etc and can make effective lifestyle choices about their diet that are not solely determined by their geography or climate

User	kanu | 2006-11-08 |
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Message	People CAN survive without alot of things. You can survive without indoor plumbing, you can survive without furniture, you can survive without electricity. But the great part about being a human being is we don’t have to. **** therefore it wouldn’t be too amazing to conceive of people giving up these thing sif people felt tehy infringed on their ethical considerations - I guess the fact that these industries are not directly dependant onthe slaughter and mishandling of millions of living entities in atrocious living conditions is why people do not give them up- the art of being a human has its foundation in determining right action from wrong action, although you could argue that in recent years the focus has shifted to something more along the lines of "lets see what we can get away with?" (and given the severe environmental reactions to such an outlook portrayed by industry and consumerism, the answer appears to be "you get away with nothing")

User	onetruesmartass | 2006-11-08 |
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Message	People CAN survive without alot of things. You can survive without indoor plumbing, you can survive without furniture, you can survive without electricity. But the great part about being a human being is we don’t have to. *onetruesmartass*

User	Toxic_Rayne | 2006-11-08 |
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Message	how do you figure? What, just because alaska’s cold? Is that your proof? *tox*