| User | jessie thomas | | Topic | Religion | | Message | To me the entire religion thing is just too contradictory. God, to me, isn’t real. Satan isn’t real. It’s all just a feeling of safety. Or maybe a way of keeping everyone from going crazy and killing people. [Because if you think about it...what is the absolute best way to stop someone from doing something? To set consequences. And what better then to set consequences that no one can, under any circumstance, avoid or control? Such as hell. Jail in its self could be avoided if you try hard enough. But, according to the bible, not hell.] And how can god not be fallible? What about that whole, ’can he create a rock that he cannot lift?’ thing? I asked a Christian that once. I was told that he would not concern himself with such things. Well OK. What about a person? God loves all of his children, so could he create a person that he could not destroy? Either way, he cannot create the person, or he cannot destroy the person. So god cannot be infallible.
But like I said. It is all so contradictory. What do all of you think? And please keep in mind that this is only an opinion. I have heard all of that ’You are going to hell’ stuff before. And if there is a hell I am fully prepared to go. It’s just my opinion. |
|| Replies ||
| User | kanu | 2006-05-28 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | I guess it depends what you want in the name of religion and whether it is actually the real thing or not |
| User | kanu | 2006-05-20 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | but the actual situation of the proper performance of religion is eternal - so its like the correct application of a propensity whereas trying to adhere eternal values to material life is a suicide policy - but I get the gist of what you are saying a person can be proud of their religiousity of a mundane sense - there is even a quote like that - when a person is in a dangerous situation in life they take to at least one of these four activities - austerity, sacrifice, study of scripture and charity - but the problem is that pride can run parrallel in the heart to these activities - so a better activity is to please and satisfy a saintly person (since they will not be impressed by exhibitions of pride regarding charity, etc) but will instead see the condition of one’s heart |
| User | Toxic_Rayne | 2006-05-19 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | "Anything in the world that your consciousness wraps around with the idea "I am the enjoyer and this is my eternal possession" is a material desire"
a lot of people enjoy praising and having their own religion, and many people think of it as their eternal possession, especially if they say I will believe in you forever...relgious belief can also fall under that same category.
*tox*
|
| User | kanu | 2006-05-18 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | well why money? Anything in the world that your consciousness wraps around with the idea "I am the enjoyer and this is my eternal possession" is a material desire - so that makes money the most tricky thing to deal with - nothing is intrinsically wrong with money - after all it is just another part of the Lord’s energy - but whether it becomes a facility for illusion or liberation depends on application - and admittedly it is one we tend to struggle with
As for mystical powers they are not evidence of pure god consciousness - there are many scriptural exampl;es of personalities (outside of the bible of course) who had great mystic capacity but hardly a trace of spiritual merit. Miracles are sometimes displayed before the less intelligent just so they can generate some faith - the actual capacity of a religious leader is to inspire people with faith in god - magicians tricks are just a peripheral thing |
| User | Toxic_Rayne | 2006-05-18 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | Yeah, like if God works through somebody, like he did with Moses and all of those other people, and gave them powers, how can he owrk through us and we don’t get any of that? All the preist I’ve seen have never been able to divide a sea or heal somebody.
*tox* |
| User | ghostknight | 2006-05-17 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | if they’re praising material desires, it would be obvious to a true believer, wouldn’t you think? these evangelical jackasses on tv seem pretty fake to me, and i’m not even part of their religion. if god is working through the believer, it only seems logical that such a believer would be able to tell those who aren’t honest. (pure conjecture though) |
| User | Toxic_Rayne | 2006-05-17 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | Not in the "realm" of money. Okay kanu, yes or no question, what’s wrong with money if one is not greedy with it?
*tox* |
| User | kanu | 2006-05-16 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | if they see the praising as a means to get something in the realm of money , false prestige etc then it is a religious activity operating in the shadow of a material desire |
| User | Toxic_Rayne | 2006-05-16 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | But shouldn’t one enjoy their praising god?
*Tox* |
| User | kanu | 2006-05-14 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | actually the final word about religion has nothing to do with principles of obedience, economic development, acquisition of enjoyable objects or even one’s own personal mission of salvation |
| User | Blue Monk | 2006-05-10 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | Adolph was a con man megalomanic pirate who passed off the Jews as easy scapegoats for the problems of Germany while robbing them of everything including the gold in their teeth. Even that name remains shameful to this day.
Radical muslims may think they have a "holy war", when if fact they are being manipulated into violence which is not necessary. That religion is the fastest growing through immigration and peaceful means even across the old centers of Christianity. Given time, they will simply vote Israel out of everything if that hatred continues to burn so brightly. (and it will) They would be much better off preaching and converting than blowing up everything.
Economics does remain the key to most war since everyone wants to control the necessary things such as oil or food and water. We are increasingly dependent upon oil while there is a finite supply of that which is easily obtained. It doesn’t really matter who owns it as long as it continues to flow and be available until we cure that addiction, however, when we run out of food and water, we die.
The Iraqi’s are fighting each other for control of the oil and the money and power that goes with it. Look at them as Democrats and Republicans with Kurds thrown in as a third party and see what a mess that is! Our own two party system is shameful and they have three to deal with. |
| User | joeyalphabet | 2006-05-10 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | The war in Iraq is an economic war, no matter how Bush tries to paint it otherwise. |
| User | kanu | 2006-05-09 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | exactly - the religious parts were superficial, hence as far as WW2, and even WW1, the vietnam war, the cold war, and also stalin and mao’s escapades and also whats going on in the middle east were not caused by religion, so tox your original statement that religion causes war does not seem sound since these are all ideological and political wars (that have seen more civilian casualities than any other century too by the way) |
| User | Toxic_Rayne | 2006-05-09 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | Oh no, I wasn’t trying to make it sound like WWII was an all out religious war, it was more like a political war with some religious aspects.
*Tox* |
| User | joeyalphabet | 2006-05-09 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | The was on Jews by Hitler was more a cultural thing than a religious thing, though there are elements of that too. Remember Europe had a long history of anti-Semitism. But I don’t believe WWII was a religious war (and I’ve read an awful lot about it since I was a kid); the war was a political/ideological one – fascism versus ‘democracy’ and communism, plain and simple. |
| User | Toxic_Rayne | 2006-05-07 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | No I’m not trying to say that. You’re trying to say that all Hitler did was pick at politics, but he also picked at religions, therefore, that does make WWII half a religious war, but not a full-out one.
*Tox* |
| User | kanu | 2006-05-07 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | so what are you trying to say other than it was a convenient opportunity for hitler to direct animosity to a cast or creed on the basis of religious denomination - I mean it sjust like saying there is chinese gold and english gold - the designation belongs to the person who possesses it but ultimately gold is gold and the designation is external |
| User | Toxic_Rayne | 2006-05-06 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | True, but he didn’t like for both political and relgious reasons....he didn’t pick a country to blame, he picked a relgion to blame.
*Tox* |
| User | kanu | 2006-05-05 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | No great religious philosophical debates were released by hitler - although he did of course have quite a few political ideas |
| User | kanu | 2006-05-05 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | He hated them on grounds of economic devleopment |
| | |
