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User	DavidHirt | 2006-06-09 |
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Message	You can’t stop it once it’s started, Acid... It’ll just have to die on it’s own. You brought up a charged subject. I suggest if you don’t want to read anymore... just don’t read anymore and forget it.

User	Acid | 2006-06-07 |
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Message	umm... no seriously please tell me how to dismantle this thread, I’ve heard enough from everybody, thank you all for the posts, but you should stop... please... Acid

User	insphered soul | 2006-06-07 |
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Message	How many threads will be made on this subject?

User	kanu | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	Well it began withthe notion that sex drives sexual innuendo, sexual innuendo drives marketing and marketing drives the economy. So sex drives the economy. So crooked attitudes to sex develop in to a crooked economy.

User	Poeticprincess | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	....iight while people are sitting worried about sexuality and wither or not people should be married to the same sex..why not worry about something important..like the freakin ecomomy. i mean people being gay is nothing new..it’s not hurting anybody and i think yea it doesn’t matter who you marry as long as it’s for love..but noooooooo some people are ewww two guys kissing and getting married and adopting kids...get the fuck over it!!!..that’s just me thought. Poeticprincess

User	Acid | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	Well, well, well, isn’t this interesting, the veiws of many people, and still not a new idea in the last couple of pages, you know? I think Lost Sheep has a decent idea, and a few of the original posts were okay, but otherwise the whole thing is just rehashed into one of three columns: 1)For, Pro, Supporting. 2)Not caring, random posts, either former or latter. 3)Against, Opposing. Oh, and basically the only themes for ideas are: 1)Who cares? 2)Religion. 3)Because, it’s important. 4)Why not? For several reasons, it makes me wish that maybe I made a different thread. Thank you all for the input, but gawddamit! This is getting annoying, this thread should just be dropped into the great recycle bin in the sky! Acid

User	Lost Sheep | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	You’re point here is still unclear. If by "reactions" you mean simply that things change as a result of our actions, of course they do. Things change as a result of all of our actions. Still, I don’t see anything that makes sex different. If two normal adults have sex using responsible means to keep that "seed" from getting planted, there’s no commitment to marriage, house, mortgage or all of the rest that you seem so phobic of. There’s simply sex. Hopefully good sex. Steve

User	kanu | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	Scriptural injunctions are simply reccomendations on how to act - if you don’t accept them, which you are free to do, you will get reactions that can not be dismissed because you don’t like them.

User	Lost Sheep | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	" Ok then - I never said you didn’t have any independence. Everyone is free to act but the reactions don’t hinge on a democratic preference. " Maybe it’s just too late, but I’m not following this at all. Everyone is free to act, but?? SH

User	kanu | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	Ok then - I never said you didn’t have any independence. Everyone is free to act but the reactions don’t hinge on a democratic preference.

User	Lost Sheep | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	There are a dozen false assumptions in most of your posts and unfortunately I don’t have time to keep this up all night. "Actually there is no question of giving up attachment - there is only the question applying something properly or improperly - And that’s what religious teachings are all about - how to do things properly. So generally its about developing attachment to god as a means for overcoming attachment to matter. " It’s all about giving up attachment, at least the way I define it. Happiness is about giving up on the things that you can’t change or those you can’t learn about and finding joy in the improvements you can make. Following Krishna or Christ or any other mythical wisdom man doesn’t help you understand this world, today. It’s this world today that matters. It’s the one we live in. "There are some branches of spiritual life that advocate the withdrawal that you mention - trappist monks I think they are called - also guys like that in the himalayas - but I never advocated that" Again, you’re confusing being attached to the world, with participating in it. Himalayan monks and Catholic monks alike, profane god,a s far as I’m concerned. They’re given a chance in this world and they throw it back in god’s face, by refusing to participate. "all I ever really advocated was that sex is connected to reproduction, reproduction means more bills to pay - its like if you are planting seeds expect to grow trees and if you don’t want trees, why are you planting seeds? Sex desire is not bad as long as it is met with an equal amount of responsible parenting . Getting back on a more secular tack, sex can be connected to reproduction or it might not be. I had an active sex life for 15 years before I planted any seeds, and I’m looking for many more happy years, despite the fact I’m "seedless". Steve

User	kanu | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	Actually there is no question of giving up attachment - there is only the question applying something properly or improperly - And that’s what religious teachings are all about - how to do things properly. So generally its about developing attachment to god as a means for overcoming attachment to matter. There are some branches of spiritual life that advocate the withdrawal that you mention - trappist monks I think they are called - also guys like that in the himalayas - but I never advocated that - all I ever really advocated was that sex is connected to reproduction, reproduction means more bills to pay - its like if you are planting seeds expect to grow trees and if you don’t want trees, why are you planting seeds? Sex desire is not bad as long as it is met with an equal amount of responsible parenting

User	Lost Sheep | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	"I really wonder whether you are just being evasive for some other reason steve - most people I’ve encountered understand right off the bat what I am refering too - the pursuit of sex has complicated social implications" That’s right, I’m sitting here in the middle of the night typing on my computer because I’m being evasive. Wouldn’t it be easier to not vcomment? The difference Kanu, is that most of the people that take the time to talk to you (and there aren’t many) are either Christians trying to prove that your wrong, or people toying with you. I’m a man of the world, I’ll admit it. I’m a firm believer that that the highest enlightenment that a person can attain is to understand this real, physical world. It’s the only one that we’ve ever seen, it’s the only one that we have any evidence of and it’s the only one where the rules are open and learnable. Therefor, we need to live IN this world and learn about it. We need to participate in as many things as we can and learn from everyone and everything around us. The more we learn and the less the classify, judge or shun, the more enlightened we become. A lot of Krisha’s teachings are about the world, but the lifestyle his followers lead is often withdrawal from the world. You know more about the Gita than I do, but all my readings lead me to the concept of reducing our attachment to the world. That has nothing to do with reducing our participation. God made us sexual creatures for our enjoyment as much as anything else. All of the things you keep talking about as consequences, ramifications, complications, distress and the like are attachments to the world of man. They’re society’s restrictive rules that have nothing to do sex at all. Churches all over the world have used sex and marriage as political tools to put more power in their leaders and money in their coffers. The thing we should be giving up isn’t sex. What we should be giving up is our attachment to all of these religions that keep man from thinking. Steve

User	kanu | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	and the whole origin of this thread was that the improper application of sex is a major contributing factor to what we have now in the way of a world

User	kanu | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	Read a statistic that 70 percent of all internet transmissions are pornographic - google declined to announce what its number one web site was - can you guess why -lol I really wonder whether you are just being evasive for some other reason steve - most people I’ve encountered understand right off the bat what I am refering too - the pursuit of sex has complicated social implications

User	Lost Sheep | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	"Why to prove that your world doen’t pivot on sex" ??? I’m find it somewhat insulting and somewhat laughable to have my career, family life, children and a lifetime of religious studies reduced to foreplay be a person who hasn’t even experienced any of things we’re discussing. By your logic, I should also give up TV, movies, Elite Skills and religious discussion to somehow prove something to you??? If this is as logical as your mind gets, I think I can understand your lack of understanding of religion. Steve

User	kanu | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	Why should celibate monks accrue all that piety for something so damn easy?

User	kanu | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	Why should celibate monks accrue all that piety for something so damn easy?

User	kanu | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	Why to prove that your world doen’t pivot on sex ....

User	Lost Sheep | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	"Just try and refrain from sex and see what happens." Er, why? SH