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User	Dark Romeo89 | 2006-06-16 |
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Message	im sorry to pull this back up but iv been gone for 12 days bks of work i have absolutely no time for me to get on the pc after getting home i hardly have enough time to take a shower before i go to bed and last weekend i had surgery on my mouth plus erica got the stomach virus dehidrated and ended up in the hospitle welcome to my world lol congrats mae most couples dont make it that long that is just my definition (honestly just part of it) love can be built without a relationship it usualy turns out to be a disaster a good family friend died bks of a situation like that (plus meth and sleeping pills) and yes faithfulness was a bad example i would post more right now but i got to go my step dad just got out of surgery too so im still hard pressed on time

User	Dark Romeo89 | 2006-06-16 |
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Message	im sorry to pull this back up but iv been gone for 12 days bks of work i have absolutely no time for me to get on the pc after getting home i hardly have enough time to take a shower before i go to bed and last weekend i had surgery on my mouth plus erica got the stomach virus dehidrated and ended up in the hospitle welcome to my world lol congrats mae most couples dont make it that long that is just my definition (honestly just part of it) love can be built without a relationship it usualy turns out to be a disaster a good family friend died bks of a situation like that (plus meth and sleeping pills) and yes faithfulness was a bad example i would post more right now but i got to go my step dad just got out of surgery too so im still hard pressed on time

User	Dark Romeo89 | 2006-06-16 |
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Message	im sorry to pull this back up but iv been gone for 12 days bks of work i have absolutely no time for me to get on the pc after getting home i hardly have enough time to take a shower before i go to bed and last weekend i had surgery on my mouth plus erica got the stomach virus dehidrated and ended up in the hospitle welcome to my world lol congrats mae most couples dont make it that long that is just my definition (honestly just part of it) love can be built without a relationship it usualy turns out to be a disaster a good family friend died bks of a situation like that (plus meth and sleeping pills) and yes faithfulness was a bad example i would post more right now but i got to go my step dad just got out of surgery too so im still hard pressed on time

User	Dark Romeo89 | 2006-06-16 |
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Message	im sorry to pull this back up but iv been gone for 12 days bks of work i have absolutely no time for me to get on the pc after getting home i hardly have enough time to take a shower before i go to bed and last weekend i had surgery on my mouth plus erica got the stomach virus dehidrated and ended up in the hospitle welcome to my world lol congrats mae most couples dont make it that long that is just my definition (honestly just part of it) love can be built without a relationship it usualy turns out to be a disaster a good family friend died bks of a situation like that (plus meth and sleeping pills) and yes faithfulness was a bad example i would post more right now but i got to go my step dad just got out of surgery too so im still hard pressed on time

User	supergirl_in_oh | 2006-06-12 |
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Message	i have been gone for 4 days somebody fill me in

User	dismentled | 2006-06-12 |
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Message	That’s fair enough, but I have changed since than. Also at that time I did attepmt, and did change certain aspects in which corrolated with the deconstructure of our relationship. It’s not that I wasn’t willing, or that I didn’t try; it’s that at that time I was unaware as to how, and thus incapable at that time and state. As far as my "sweeping statement" it’s how I feel, it’s my opinion and nothing more; ’cept substantiated to my ownself. As is it is not intended to offend anybody, just offer another perspective.

User	mae | 2006-06-11 |
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Message	Secondly love isn’t about changing for somebody else. It’s about loving them inspite, of whatever "defects" of character they posses. That’s very true, but we all need to change just to become better people. And dismentled, I do know what love is. I’ve been married for 26 years, through happy times and some really bad times. We’ve raised a passle of kids together, and we still love each other. We have both changed, for ourselves, and yes, for each other - simply BECAUSE we love each other. Sometimes, dismentled, love IS about changing for the other person. Now, please don’t think I’m saying you should have. I don’t know anything about the situation so I’m not about to make that sort of statement. It’s just that to make such a sweeping statement is generally not a good idea. You felt it was better to let your girlfriend go (which, since she cheated on you, was maybe not such a bad idea) because you didn’t think you COULD make her happy. In an earlier post of yours you said something like love isn’t being willing to take a bullet for someone because it’s easier to die for someone than to live for them. That’s another sweeping statement, but let’s take it on its face. If love is living for someone, why can’t it be about changing for them if you’re not trying to change your basic nature or personality and if the change isn’t something they’re trying to engineer? Which is harder - changing a trait that probably needs changed anyway to please your mate or staying the way you are and saying you’ll just let them go? Which is really more loving? What if your mate doesn’t really want to go? They love you, it’s just that they can’t live with you with this THING between you? Are you giving them any choice in the matter? You know what - I’m prattling on here trying to convince you that changing is just as loving and it doesn’t matter. One way can be just as loving as the other, it’s totally dependant upon the circumstance and the individuals involved. I do, however, think it’s wrong to say "love is not..." when for someone else it just might be. mae

User	dismentled | 2006-06-10 |
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Message	First of all I did fight for her. I did from the beginning, when we were just friends, and did for 2 1/2 years after that; on a regualr basis. I honestly wish her the best and hope she’s happy. Secondly love isn’t about changing for somebody else. It’s about loving them inspite, of whatever "defects" of character they posses. Thirdly even if you really want to, change(for the better) isn’t always that easy. She wanted/deserved someone better than I was/am. Despite how badly I wanted too I could not do what was necessary to make it better. I’ve realized my faults, and have changed over time, but I can not change things done or not (or words). It’s almost funny from a third-party perspective. When we started dating she was afraid of hurting me, and felt that she didn’t deserve someone to treat her so well. When we broke up she was afraid of me hurting her again(not physically) and treating her badly. Hmmm; even though she cheated on me twice. Talk about irony. Oh, about the the happier thing he was able to give her what I couldn’t, he made up for where I was lacking.

User	mae | 2006-06-10 |
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Message	Selflessly, not because the good guy gets the girl in the movies, but because her happiness maters more, and if that guy makes her happier than you can, than that’s what truelly matters dismentled, I have a couple of questions for you - serious, honest questions. Why could someone else make her happier than you could? If you really loved her as much as you say you did, why couldn’t you do what you needed to do to show her that you COULD make her as happy as he could? What kept you from making the changes necessary to make her happy? Perhaps the fact that you cared enough to fight for her would have made her happy. mae

User	dismentled | 2006-06-10 |
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Message	Of course this whole debate is under the presumption that there actaully is love. Is it not possible that it could be nothing more than an overzealous infauation at the deliberate ignorance to "hate", or the negative things in our perpetual existance in which we would prefer not to have to realize, but for those who do would wish to overcome instead of feasible rationalization do to our own worldly incompatance due to an bening reality which consits of nothing more than incorporated and compromised ideolgies, becasue "majoiry rules".

User	Astra | 2006-06-10 |
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Message	There are so many ways that can go, for I myself am a teenager. I love my parents so much, but I know that’s not what you mean. I love all of my friends in the sense that they are my friends and like family I care for them. However, I have one friend I love because he is a good friend, and we are friends who are not caught up in teenager crap and when we are we joke about it because we know how typical teenage problems are at our age. However, I wish I could find a guy that I would love that has the same quality of friendship as that other guy has. Another friend I like, but if I do ever come close to being IN love with him, I doubt it will last because as fun as it is to be around him, I could not see him as the perfect friend to lean on, the perfect guy to love as in being IN love with.

User	Toxic_Rayne | 2006-06-08 |
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Message	Yeah, people throw the word love around like arag doll. *tox*

User	kanu | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	love is vague - "I love the sun" "I love my child" "I love ice cream" I guess the term needs closer examinations to examine what you expect from love, then you can examine the liklihood of whether you’ve got it or are likely to get it.

User	supergirl_in_oh | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	i have the same def as you

User	Toxic_Rayne | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	I think everyone has a different definition of love...because everyone has a different point of view on everything...even if the point of views have some similarities...but I think it all depends on how you’re going to look at things...your basis of life, your values...the definition of love will vary with every body. *tox*

User	supergirl_in_oh | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	well that defintion can go for certain people not all

User	dismentled | 2006-06-06 |
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Message	"love is the point that you consider another persons life worth as much or more " And what if you’re extremely selfless and suicidal, than do you just love everyobody? I can’t say I agree with that definition. It obviousily contians falicy. And no, I’m not just being hypothetical, I’ve been that person, and was for quite some time. I’ve already given what I feel to be the most adequate deffinition to my understanding of love as I see it. (my last post). As far as closeness I agree, and trust coincides, or so I feel. As far as faithfulness, either you are or you aren’t, that I don’t feel there are degrees. So if you love somebody you’ll not cheat, but if you only like you will? You still faithful, the fact that you didn’t love him/her doesn’t change that. Has anyone here ever been in love? Have you ever? Have you ever been with somebody and left them when you brought them down more than you raised them up, despite every selfish inkling in your body telling you you still want them, but do so becasue they are better off without you? And still a year late still felt for the person, longed for them, and not despite what has and hasn’t happened, but because what you felt was beyond that, beyond such petty bening eartly things, that have suck little relevance in the big picture? Would you be willing to do anything? Including never speaking to them again if they ever asked you, gave you’re honest blessing on another if they didn’t love you? Now the key word in all this is honety? Selflessly, not because the good guy gets the girl in the movies, but because her happiness maters more, and if that guy makes her happier than you can, than that’s what truelly matters. And for the record none of this shyt I’m saying is hypothetical! I’ve been there, I’ve done it, I’ve lived it! These thoughts, and ideas are not being pulled from my ass, but from my experience. Love is not a game, and those who think it is, and who decide to play will have to deal with Karma. So go ahead, be a player, cheat, lie, manipulate, but in the end we all get what we deserve!

User	Toxic_Rayne | 2006-06-05 |
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Message	Romeo has a good point too...now I’m like confused again. *tox*

User	Dark Romeo89 | 2006-06-04 |
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Message	i dont believe that their is degrees of love their is degrees of closeness faithfulness ect. but love is the point that you consider another persons life worth as much or more that your own their is no more than that everything else builds relationship not love and their is no less any less is simply not love i think that that is a good defanition of love the best i can think of to explain an emotion that no human can even imagen love is one thing that is sacred (yall know i dont consider much sacred) and shouldent be up for debate i hope many of yall have felt this emotion bks i cant imagen life without it i wouldent want to those of you that have honestly felt this emotion can you still have that experience and tell somebody that they cant feal love plz dont try to take what was given by god ericas mom has tried to pull us apart and she said that we were too young to be in love i hopa yall never know how much that hurts

User	Lost Sheep | 2006-05-31 |
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Message	I think love, like many other emotional states is usually experienced in degrees. A teen can certainly love and that love is likely much more intense than a quasi-romantic feeling of a few years before. On the other hand, most teens don’t love with the depth that older people can. That’s why for most people each relationship is more important and powerful than the last. More loving while the last, more painful if they should fail. Steve