| User | Outlaw | | Topic | G-O-D | | Message | This is an Interesting conversation I had with a pretty blond, yes she is smart, and this is it:
You have a mute that goes by the name of Singer. A variety of different people seek him out, simply to talk to him about their lives and their problems. He just sits quietly listening and nodding every so often. Basically, the motivation behind why these people are talking to him is: They get some kind of self-redemption from it. This entails also that they look up, idolize in a sense, him as being, each in their own words, this great ___ . Fill the blank with what they believe in, for example if we have a person who truly believes in communism, you’d fill the blank out with perfect communist. If the person is an opressed black man, targeted by racism, then he’d see him as this perfectly not racist person who believes in total equality.
Now here’s the interesting part. They do this because none of them REALLY understand him, if they really did they’d basically see him as a messed up person just like them. So the misunderstanding is what gives him a "divine" touch per se. Now, say this mute represented God. And say all these different characters represented all the different worldly religions. Each, in their own way, imposing their own traditional values onto God because they don’t, because you could say it’s humanly impossible, understand him at all. Would that not make sense? Would that not explain why there are such various religions in the world? I’d like to hear you thoughts about this....
Marc! |
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| User | kanu | 2006-07-03 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | Just because god may be a guess for you doen’t mean that god is a guess for all people in all times and places |
| User | kanu | 2006-06-25 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | By the mercy of god one gets the pure devotee of god. By the mercy of the pure devotee of god one gets god (Yes it is circular :) ) |
| User | mae | 2006-06-25 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | Outlaw, kanu will give you the same answer I will to your question of how to find out what God wants from you and do you have it? - though we might point you in different directions. God tells us what he wants from us in the scriptures. If you read the scriptures with an open heart, honestly seeking God, you will see what he wants from you and you will be able to discern if you have it. My God, the Christian God, will take you in your weakness and give you his strength. I cannot tell you what kanu’s god will do. But I’m fairly certain kanu will point you to the scriptures to answer your questions. mae |
| User | Outlaw | 2006-06-24 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | Thank you Kanu for the very insightful answer. They seem to be seldom in these forums relating to religion or god. I’m just going off what I know, but if you in fact know more than I do - which I’m pretty shure is a fact now - please don’t be afraid to correct me, or leave us all in awe. I don’t mind being told I am wrong, I enjoy in fact understanding things more than one way. Which is why I brought God and religions up in the first place. You wouldn’t happen to have degrees would you?
As for the first part of my last comment. I meant what I said in the sense that religious orientation towards God was already understood. One thing I would like to mention about your question is of "What is God looking for? And do I have it?" You, as already mentioned ealier, wouldn’t be able to answer those questions. Because you firstly don’t even understand God, let alone would be able to speak in his stead, and secondly because of our human nature, ever answer is inherently bias. Last time I checked, God aint bias. |
| User | WolfStar | 2006-06-24 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | there is a certain satisfaction in hatred, it seems. perhaps your version of god only exists to fuel that burn you get when you feel hatred. and then when you’re all burned out, god can fall away and not exist anymore.
people can be like that too. they don’t have to exist for you except for when you decide you hate them. it’s sad that people do things like that. but sometimes that is the only way we can survive.
supergirl, being angry isn’t always bad. anger is more constructive than depression. at the very least you have that. |
| User | supergirl_in_oh | 2006-06-24 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | i don’t know if he exist and i hate him or if he doesn’t exist |
| User | kanu | 2006-06-24 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | make up your mind - does he exist or not - if he doesn’t what’s the problem - I mean the body is just a bunch of chemicals probably identical to the dishwashing water after dinner - you don’t lament when the plug gets pulled on the sinK/
if he does exist then also why lament - after all god is running the universe and not you - even if you think you have a better idea how to run the universe you can probably only say that with confidence because you don’t understand the universe
either way there is no reason to lament |
| User | | 2006-06-23 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | ok mae is all i say and you can go away with that he is killing them if he even exists |
| User | mae | 2006-06-23 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | super, God is not killing your family members. Our bodies are finite. We get old; we get diseases, injuries, etc. Death is a result of our sinful natures and the consequences thereof, not of God killing people. mae |
| User | supergirl_in_oh | 2006-06-23 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | i have been unhappy for a year now how long will this FUCKING LAST THEM i am having a break down read my journal and you’ll and if you already read it read it again because i edited it |
| User | kanu | 2006-06-23 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | Time is the thing that moves us on - just like the seasons - they always change and always return - like for instance things look pretty bleak in winter but it is just a preperation for spring and things look very vibrant in spring but it is just a preperation for the driness of summer and things appear very hot in summer but it is just a preperation for the cool pleasantness of autumn but autumn is just a preperation for desolate waste of winter which is actually a preperation for spring.
Happiness is the cause of misery and misery is the cause of happiness.
You are unhappy now but you will not be unhappy forever |
| User | supergirl_in_oh | 2006-06-23 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | cause he is the one killing them all all of them die and none of them including me died inside before they died i think i am next cause i have been dead inside for quite a while |
| User | kanu | 2006-06-23 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | Why do your family members have to stick around in their bodies for god to be cool? |
| User | supergirl_in_oh | 2006-06-23 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | forge about god i don’t give a flying fuck about him anyomore another one of my family members died on yesterday so i dopn’t care anymore |
| User | kanu | 2006-06-23 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | Look at it this way: God doesn’t see any difference between a jew, a muslim, a christian, a buddhist, a rastafarian, a hindu, a Jehovah’s witness or a sikh but, you and I do. Simply saying religion is implying an opinion over another.
*****I am not sure what you are saying - sure I agree with the general principle how things can appear true on a face value but false on deeper enquiry - but I think that god doesn’t look for a certain denomination but he looks for someone who is looking for him, and what we have in a mundane sense of denomination is what helps us cultivate a mood of wanting to see god - just because god doesn’t see mundane designations doesn’t mean that he isn’t looking for anything in particular - the question of spiritual life is "What is god looking for and do I have it" -
The difference, inherently a similarity actually, is that they each teach, or preech, that this one particular religion is right. The only religion that I am aware of that does not do this is buddhism,
Well the only reason Buddhism is popular is because of King Asoka who "established" it through out India in 200BC or thereabouts - Buddhism is also corrupted by heavy violence - just like the way of the warrior merged with buddhism to become bushido in imperial japan, which was a big influence between the way japan treated their POWS between the chinese war and WW2 - also if you look at sri-lanka, which is a buddhist country, they are in civil strife, with more than one buddhist taking a molitiv cocktail with nirvana in view.
which came from hinduism so I guess it would be inherent in hinduism aswell,
*****Actually funny that you mention India - Even though it is prominantly "Hindu" (A broad term - kind of like putting pentecoastals and roman catholics in the same catergory) there is every religion in the world there and they have been there for centuries, and all of them got established without violence, (except for islam I must admit - but even there were famous liberal muslims in India like Akbar - something you won’t hear much mention of now given the state of the world) - the greek christians came to the south tip of india and have been there for over 1000 years and there are jains, sikhs, buddhists, Zoroastrians and so many more - and actually none are particularly evangical although christian organisations from wealthy western countries make "attractive deals" to poor people to change their religion, they all seem to get along fine or at least a lot better than their foreign counterparts - India has as much variety as east and western europe combined.
because it seems to be the only religion where the believer becomes a singular aspect, instead of the masses like in the other religions.
*****LOL - I don’t know what the buddhists and hindus are like where you are but let me tell you going to a temple can be like a contact sport
This aspect of singularity answers to the problem arisen in the variety of opinions found in the concensus, because it becomes the religion and the believer, not the religion, the priest/general opinion and believer.
*****Well the path you seem to be advocating is something like the yogis (another branch of hinduism) who go to the himalayas or jungle for meditation - they also have an authoritative system of discipline - I mean they also have a consensus of opinion backed by scripture etc. |
| User | Outlaw | 2006-06-23 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | Look at it this way: God doesn’t see any difference between a jew, a muslim, a christian, a buddhist, a rastafarian, a hindu, a Jehovah’s witness or a sikh but, you and I do. Simply saying religion is implying an opinion over another. The difference, inherently a similarity actually, is that they each teach, or preech, that this one particular religion is right. The only religion that I am aware of that does not do this is buddhism, which came from hinduism so I guess it would be inherent in hinduism aswell, because it seems to be the only religion where the believer becomes a singular aspect, instead of the masses like in the other religions. This aspect of singularity answers to the problem arisen in the variety of opinions found in the concensus, because it becomes the religion and the believer, not the religion, the priest/general opinion and believer. |
| User | kanu | 2006-06-21 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | That religion which increases one’s attachment to inferior things of this world (like name, fame, adoration and distinction) that leads to vices like wrath, lust, envy etc is a false religion |
| User | WolfStar | 2006-06-21 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | In you opinion, kanu, what is the false variety of religion? |
| User | kanu | 2006-06-21 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | The point is that there is real variety and false variety - like for instance there is grass trees and flowers and there are artificial grass trees and flowers - something that is real is defined by its qualities - so according to a persons knowledge of the qualities of a real thing, they can discriminate.
Defining something as christian, hindu muslim etc doesn’t illuminate whether it is real or not any more than saying grass, trees flowers are real - just as there can be artificial flowers there can be artificial christianity, etc.
In other words if you are familiar with the purpose and conclusion of religion you can ascertain to what degree anything is particularly religious.
Otherwise if you just open up an issue to anything and everything, with the view that its all one, you disfigure the issue at hand - (like for instance if you didn’t perceive anything intrinsically different between artificial and real plants it might seem better to cover your garden bed in cement)
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| User | WolfStar | 2006-06-21 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | Then I’m sure God doesn’t mind it if you’re a Christian or a Jew or a Muslim or a Buddhist or a pagan. But I suppose it would be painful to admit that no religion is the true religion, huh? |
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