| User | Jeniffer | | Topic | Sex ed | | Message | I’m sure you’re familiar with this mass debate. I’ve never attended a sex ed c;ass, but I read, I watch TV, and my parents know what I know. I, personally, think the answer is obvious; DON’T MAKE SUCH A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT! First of all, ’it’, as in that thing that we ’do’, as in ’doing it’, is not a sin. Why would God make something that is biologically necessary and perfectly natural sinful? He’s not sadistic. He made the misuse and perversion of it a sin. And what is sin, boys and girls? It is when we do, plan, or think something that is wrong because it is selfish and hurts yourself and others. And what are the fruits of this particular kind of sin? Children who are molested and damaged for the rest of their lives by evil grown ups, young girls who lose part of their life because they have to become mothers so soon, or get their bodies invaded by a wicked doctor to kill the baby, rampant disease, many regrets. And so many of these could be prevented by something called morality.
Now, I don’t believe for one second that "Abstinence only" education stunts teenagers in any way. We should not dress our girls in white and have a shot gun wedding if she kisses a boy; but we should not give twelve year olds ’protection’ either. Teaching young people about ’safety’ is not enough. The one thing that they are seriously missing in their concentration on the physical aspect of safety is the emotional side. Sex is not the most important thing in the world, and there are still people who live productive, happy lives without it. Guide the girls in how to respect themselves and be prudent, and teach the boys to respect girls and themselves and be gentlemen. It can ruin your life if you are too young or careless; wait until marriage or at least true love! This will not repress them, it will help them. Sure you can do whatever you want with your body, short of hurting others or yourself. Well, this can hurt or others or yourself. Not will hurt, but can hurt. So be wise! |
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| User | dismentled | 2006-07-10 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | OK, you’ve actaully counted how many times you’ve had sex? Why? Now, I’m hoping and assuming you mean partners, but you said sex, so I can only assume that’s what you meant. And ghost, all it takes is a little practice, and lube. But I probabily would have benefited from a tutorial at school, I know I would have studied for that class! |
| User | WolfStar | 2006-07-06 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | I’ve had sex ed four times, and each time the issues of protection, abstinence, and the emotional side of sex have been discussed each time.
Maybe this isn’t true for everywhere, but as someone who has been through the course several times, I would say that all the bases are pretty well-covered. |
| User | Avril54 | 2006-07-05 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | except the last thing SKye (Jeniffer) said is right |
| User | Avril54 | 2006-07-05 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | eh....okay, ghostknight. It’s gonna be okay.
How about teach all the 7 graders about it in health class, then tell ’em not to do it til after marriage, and SHUT UP! |
| User | ghostknight | 2006-07-04 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | teach the positions, too. start stretching when you’re young, it takes time to do some of that shit. |
| User | Icarus | 2006-07-04 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | if we’re talking about sex education than obviously both sides (abstinence and contraception) need to be taught equally otherwise it’s not sex education but sex indoctrination. |
| User | kanu | 2006-07-04 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | Jennifer it may not be a sin but it is definitely more risky - there is nothing like an unwanted pregnancy to inspire a spontaneous reneg of future plans .... |
| User | Jeniffer | 2006-07-03 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | There are no absolutes! Well, there are, but there aren’t! Premarital sex is a sin, but if two mature, responsible adults who are committed and love each other and will end up getting married anyway decide not to wait until the actual time of marriage, by mistake or just by the way things go, that’s fine! That’s kind of between them and God. And I was trying to clear up any misconceptions that may exist about traditional Christian views toward sex saying that we see any kind as sinful and that it only should be commtted for the sake of the population of the planet. |
| User | Jeniffer | 2006-07-03 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | Well, you don’t know God, then. And you completely twisted what I said; I meant don’t make such a big deal out of the issue of the education in the schools, and don’t make such a big deal out of our physical urges, which are a part of life just as the importance of morals and wisdom are a part of life. You are making an argument where there is none. So there. |
| User | xfallenangelx | 2006-07-03 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | Dolphins are the only other mammal that has sex for pleasure...should we be teaching them abstinence? I’m sure Flipper is a heartbreaker.
On a more serious note, I don’t think that pushing abstinence will really work. Sex is everywhere you look-television, movies, advertising, etc. You cannot get away from it. Have you noticed how models in advertisements are in suggestive poses? That’s because those businesses have a lot of money invested in the porn industry as well and have a tendency to use the same photographers that do their porn shots for their commercial advertisements. Children see it and think it is ok for them to be doing it, especially if their peers are engaging in it as well. Sex ed should really emphasize that if you do not choose abstinence and engage in any sexual behaviors, to be smart about it. They should be allowed to be more graphic in class. Instead of just talking about what STDs can do, show those kids a picture of what genital warts looks like. I’m sure it would scare them into using protection. You definitely won’t be the prom queen if your genitalia looks like a cauliflower. But of course, Maury would not have a show if people in general were more responsible about having sex.
People get hurt regardless of whether or not they have sex. It’s a part of life. I used to think that if I had sex with whoever I was dating at the time and we broke up, it would make the pain worse. But that is not the case. What it comes down to is your feelings toward the person. You may think that they are "the one" and even if you don’t have sex with them, you will be hurt when they break up with you. No one wants to get hurt, but we do.
MyX-guys playing an Elton John tune with their pecker?? I’ve never heard of people that could do that...have you been a witness to this phenomenon? I’m sure you have. |
| User | MyX | 2006-06-29 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | And what do you do with these little abstinence stickers? Tack them to our genitals?
And what exactly would these little suckers say? "No!" ?
Besides, I think that would hurt like hell when the time comes that you realize sex isn’t such a bad idea....especially when you find a guy (in your case) that can play and Elton John tune with his pecker.
-MyX |
| User | dismentled | 2006-06-29 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | First off I think you’re wrong in the sin proclamation, I’m pretty sure premarital sex is, but I really don’t care, secondly I disagree I think god is a sadist; I even wrote a song about it called "utopia". Anyways I’m all for sex. ed; my parents forbid me from attending the class when I was younger, so instead I took it upon myself to learn. Divulging in many of resources producing inacurate misconceptions, leaving me tired and disapointed. I even tempted suicide after my first time(I faked it for her) becasue i felt if that was supposed to be one of the bigger things to look forward to and it sucked that badly, why go on? Now i doubt others will be so hurt. But the point is kids are going to want to know and if you don’t tell them or let them find out at school their going to find other resources usually leading to less than pleasant consequences. We have 11-12 year old prostitues standing outside disneyland because they don’t think sex is a "big deal" and they know they can make a quick buck. My brother isn’t even 12 and he’s talking about fucking his girlfriend before he moves. My neighbor’s 8, and she’s talked about how good she is at sucking dick, and how she likess it in the ass. Kids are learning younger and younger and abstinence obviousily isn’t working. Now what about what it used to mean? you know it being a way to profess undying love? That seems to be a rapidly dying trend. And for those who can’t wait(yes I’m a guilty hippocrit, but that also means I know what I’m talking about!) protection don’t always work, but it can’t work if you don’t use it, so use it and get tested regularly. |
| User | mae | 2006-06-29 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | Statistically, the people taught with absitnance only will wait a little longer, but get pregnant more often and contract more STD’s than those who don’t
What are the statistics and where are they from? mae |
| User | Rastine Aristat | 2006-06-29 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | Ok, first off, doctors are not necessarily wicked as you say, for giving abortions, though I definately agree that child rapists are, and think that they should be killed on the spot. However, that is neither here nor their. I don’t think that having sex is wrong, so long as it is actually consentual between both, or all parties involved, and I’m not playing into the whole not abstaining being a sin either, because there’s lots of those that are mentioned in the bible that to be blunt, just don’t make any sense in today’s world. For instance, Lev. 19:19 prohibits the wearing of garments made of mingled fabrics, take a look at your tags and tell me how many are cotton/polyester. Exedous 35:2 says to put anybody who works on the sabbith to death, how many people are put to death for working on Sunday(or Saturday, for some followers.) Also, from the religions I know of, not abstaining is only actually a sin in the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions, but they’re all based in Judaism and the Torah(Mosaich teachings.) Now, I won’t say that abstinance only education stunts growth, but it’s both clinically proven and logical that the people who have been taught not only abstinance, but safty also are safer in having sex, at least physically. Statistically, the people taught with absitnance only will wait a little longer, but get pregnant more often and contract more STD’s than those who don’t. I see these as pretty strong reasons to teach about safe sex, however, I do believe that there is, or at least should be an emotional side to sex, an attachment that should go along with it, but I know that a lot of people view it the same as I view a good, friendly fight, just good fun to have sometimes, and expressly for those people, but for everybody else also, I believe that we should be teaching them my fundimental belief. You are responsible for your own actions. If you have sex, and get pregnant/get your girlfriend pregnant, nobody’s going to bail you out, and you will be responsible for it. If you get syphalys, it’s your responsibility to get tested and get it treated. Really, we’re doing them a favor by letting them know what they’re risking, and telling them upfront that it feels good.
Lastly, and I have to say this in defense of actual sex ed, having sat through six sex ed courses, abstinance is pushed. They tell you a hundred times a day, the only way to prevent all diseases and avoid having a kid is to abstain from having sex. (on a side note, Avril54, abstinance means simply not to do something, you can technically abstain from anything, for any period of time, however, in context it means not having sex, which could mean until you’re married or simply for a week, a month, a year etc.<although I don’t quite think anything less than a week qualifies, but that’s a matter of oppinion.>) |
| User | Jeniffer | 2006-06-29 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | Well, I’m not saying that teaching them abstinence will work any miracles; but it is better to address all the aspects, including the importance of at the very least considering abstinence, rather then practically encouraging them to be promiscuous.
And I disagree that it is inevitable for young people to end up doing it simply because of our ’animal’ instincts; one thing that separates us from animals is our ability to make decisions beyond instinct, including abstinence! |
| User | mae | 2006-06-29 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | They tried abstinence teaching in the sixties. It was pushed HARD. Know what happened? The baby boomer generation was born....hmmmm.
That is not correct. I was a teen-ager in the sixties and sex-ed was not even around. The ’baby boomer generation’ was born as a result of men coming home from war, GETTING MARRIED and having families.
Children (and that is what teen-agers diving in to adult behaviors with adult consequences are) are the worst for using ’protection’, even though it is freely available to them. THAT’S the part that hasn’t worked. Teaching them abstinence and their choosing not to follow it will change very little for those who make that choice. But being taught the emotional side of sex and the responsibility side of its consequences along with the benefits of abstinence could very well help those who choose to honor the choice of abstinence. mae |
| User | Avril54 | 2006-06-28 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | so if you do wait til after marriage, either use birth control, or have a baby! |
| User | Avril54 | 2006-06-28 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | eh.....I always thought abstinence was waiting until ACTUALLY AFTER marriage to uh, do it. What’s wrong with that?
I kinda agree with Chell, though th emessage grossed me out just a tad. |
| User | Chell | 2006-06-28 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | They tried abstinence teaching in the sixties. It was pushed HARD. Know what happened? The baby boomer generation was born....hmmmm.
Didn’t work then, won’t work now.
Humans, at the core, are animals that will have sex. The desire to copulate is hardwired into our brains and our bodies. The hormonal output of teenagers is amazing and to try to teach kids to fight those hormones is like telling them to breathe every other minute.
I agree that we need to expound on the emotional and responsibility side of sexual encounters with our children, but we can’t assume that if we teach abstinence that it will be what they choose to do.
And if we choose to teach abstinece and they choose not to follow it they won’t have the availability of protection. And then people really will get hurt.
Just my thoughts. |
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