| User | Jeniffer |
| Topic | Evolution |
| Message | This has been hashed and rehashed. Intelligent Design is a term we’re all familiar with by now. Allow me to offer an angle that I haven’t’ seen covered:
I believe in evolution. Natural Selection is an axiom, if you ask me. An axiom is a self evident fact. Creatures evolve through natural selection; that doesn’t prove or disprove God. The question is, where did the creatures come from? Evolution does not explain the existence of life. Only the course. Ever heard of irreducible complexity? Take this excerpt from a book I am currently reading, called "God Doesn’t Believe in Atheists" by Ray Comfort: "Perhaps the greatest proof of the Creator’s existence is seen when you gaze into the mirror. Your eyes have focusing muscles that move an estimated 100,000 times each day. Each eye has within a retina that covers less than a square inch and contains137 million light-sensitive cells. Even....Charles Darwin said, "To suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree." ......The famous statician George Gallup said," I could prove God statistically. Take the human body alone: the chance that all the functions of the individual would just happen is a statistical monstrosity." " So there you have it. Facts. Think about this: we are all made out of molecules. The same basic particles and elements that make up just about everything in the physical universe. You are made out of the same things as the table you eat breakfast at, the breakfast you eat, and the computer you are sitting at right now. Can you imagine what kind of genius and knowledge and skill it would take to put together every molecule in just the right way to form the amazing human body you have? But we are more than just molecules making up flesh and bone. In the book of Genesis, it says that God formed Adam out of dust. That is scientifically sound, because we are made out of the elements that make up dust and everything else. But after that, after He formed the body out of dust, it says He breathed life into Adams nostrils. That means that there is one thing that we have that the rest of the non-living universe does not: the spirit of life. And a redeemable soul, which separates us further from animals. the spirit is not made out of any elements or molecules, but it is real, in act more real that anything else about you. Can you imagine what it must be like to BE God? Imagine having the power to control all time, space and matter. The knowledge of everything, every star in the universe and every hair on ever head; imagine having the power to create them! Imagine dwelling in the realm of eternity. Imagine Your most prized creation, man, who You created for fellowship with You, rejecting You and denying Your very existence. Does God seem a little more real to you know? I’m very curious to see what kind of response I get to this. I really want to know: where do you think we came from? |
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| User | ghostknight | 2006-09-03 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | hmm, it was on a national geographic documentary, though i suppose it’s dumb to say we’re the ONLY ones. but according to NG we’ve got the highest ratio.
forget diplomacy, i like this idea much better. =) |
| User | Blue Monk | 2006-09-01 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | Ghost -
Better cite the reference for that size ratio thing. Do you live in a city, avoid the zoo and have you never been to a farm? There’s a nature program somewhere that has a story about some species of monkey that never has any fights or conflicts between them. Because... They are constantly having sex with no such thing as no’s. If I can recall correctly, the males were unbelievably well endowed (as you might expect). Now that’s what I call evolution! |
| User | ghostknight | 2006-09-01 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | penis size is one good sign of evolution. humans are the only species with such a large ratio of penis size to body mass. it’s to attract... who can argue that? |
| User | Toxic_Rayne | 2006-08-31 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | lol yes...In the name of the Toxic...Nema
*tox* |
| User | Blue Monk | 2006-08-28 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | Even when there is God, we still create many more - "in our own image". |
| User | ghostknight | 2006-08-28 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | if there was no god, we would create one. heh. |
| User | Toxic_Rayne | 2006-08-27 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | Exactly, but I know some people, not on this forum thank god, but I know them in person and they think that evolution has nothing to do with our creation, which I think is pure bullshit.
I think it’s very possible that we were created by some higher power, I’m definitely not denying that. *tox* |
| User | Jeniffer | 2006-08-25 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | Um, no, I said in the thread above that evolution is an axiom. It is not hard to except because it is abviously true. |
| User | Toxic_Rayne | 2006-08-25 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | I don’t think it’s hard to accept a hgiher intelligence, but, lol, when you say that I think of Aliens...maybe God is one...hmmm...
Anyways, is it so hard to believe that things evolve? *tox* |
| User | Blue Monk | 2006-08-24 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | One has to be aware of semantic slippages when talking about the spirit, the heart, the mind, the soul, etc. The heart may easily be viewed simply as a blood pumping organ, the mind may be ambigiously termed the brain, an organ that processes bio-electric signals, sometimes in unexplainable ways. We can detect brain signals with the proper instruments, and even infer their purpose by where they act on the brain. The mind may be viewed as the thought processes within a brain, we’ve yet to decypher thoughts but we’re working on it.
The spirit and soul fall into a non-physical catagory as you could say the identity/mind/person does. Where does each exist? A source of much debate over the years. |
| User | Jeniffer | 2006-08-24 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | No, I understand your point, and it is a fascinating question. I have this big book full of dream research, and you would not believe some of the things I learned from it. I think the human mind and imagination is one of the biggest mysteries there is. the brain is just a big glob of grey cells; and yet when you close your eyes, you can see things and hear things that don’t exist. They are in your head. Where are they, really, in your head? Thoughts don’t show up on a CT scan. Sure, scans can show activity in different parts of your brain that correspond with the things that you are thinking about, but where do the actual thoughts exist? I for one do not believe that the mind and spirit are the same thing. they are connected, and the mind is in a way spiritual, but I think they are separate. the spirit is like the non physical essence of you, while the mind is the intellegent manifestation of your consciousness. Your head can’t feel what your heart can. Thoughts can make you sad or happy or angry or whatever, but it’s not your mind that’s feeling it, it’s your heart replying to your thoughts. We humans are very complex beings. |
| User | Blue Monk | 2006-08-24 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | I would rather have you say that dreams are sometimes at work in your mind while you are asleep, but expand that to my original question of where they come from. If it is "from your head" as you say, "It is unknown where in the brain dreams originate — if there is such a single location" (Wikipedia/dreams).
Based solely upon personal experience, I’d say dreams are not limited to things your senses have been exposed to or some variation thereof as many would say. Some I remember vividly are far removed from anything I’ve even imagined. I’ve also witnessed a relatively newborn puppy dream, obviously about chasing something even though he’d never been out of his box. The Bible tells us of numerous cases where dreams had meaning, portent which could be told by those such as Daniel and Joseph. Such stories are not limited to the Bible. Does this suggest that at least some dreams come from somewhere outside your own brain. As another thought, is your "mind" limited to the physical confines of your brain? Mystics of almost all civilizations think not, but they could be deluding themselves. Getting on with your topic, is your spirit the same thing as your mind and is either your soul? What good is your spirit and soul without your mind if they are not all part of the same thing? I personally think they can be parted, but only so long as you remain alive bodily. Some of us lose our minds a little at a time. The same can be said for our spirits and our souls. That’s true evolution. |
| User | Jeniffer | 2006-08-23 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | Um, yeah, dreams come from your head while you are sleeping...am I missing something here? |
| User | Blue Monk | 2006-08-16 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | Creation does not require thought to happen. Sometimes it’s kind of like, "let there be light" and there it is, perhaps following a program of some kind.
Any thoughts on where dreams come from? |
| User | Jeniffer | 2006-08-16 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can’t start with nothing and end up with something without an outside force intervening. Why is it so hard to believe in a supreme intellence? It certainly doesn’t exist within our heads, and yet there is such to learn out there that we can’t even understand it all. Who though it all up? |
| User | Blue Monk | 2006-08-15 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | Somehow the monkey thing made me think of this:
Occam’s razor states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating, or "shaving off", those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. The principle is often expressed in Latin as the lex parsimoniae (law of succinctness): entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem, which translates to: entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity. Furthermore, when multiple competing theories have equal predictive powers, the principle recommends selecting those that introduce the fewest assumptions and postulate the fewest hypothetical entities. It is in this sense that Occam’s razor is usually understood. Taken from Wikipedia on "Occam’s razor" |
| User | Blue Monk | 2006-08-15 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | Oh yes, oatmeal raisin for me! |
| User | Blue Monk | 2006-08-15 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | "It is a law of physics that all things go from a state of order to disorder"
This is true for a closed system, however, if some additional energy/work is applied from an outside source, the room can get clean and orderly again. Try it sometime. The same principle works as energy from the sun gets used by the earth’s mechanical and biological processes for vast clouds and barren rock to be turned into great oceans, lush garden jungles, fertile fields and deserts. OK, so it took a few billion years and Divine help to get us here. Nevertheless, we are proof that the Earth is no closed system or we’d (still) be space dust! |
| User | Toxic_Rayne | 2006-08-15 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | haha, yes mushrooms are quite chaotic, lol, nice.
As for Blue Monk’s question about todays youth and which direstion we’re heading, I believe some of us are heading us to hell, while others are leading us in the right direction.... When I’m president...free cookies for all! *tox* |
| User | NoMartyr | 2006-08-14 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | No, I’ve read about it. The eye is complex, but it doesn’t mean we couldn’t evolve it. Look how complex mushrooms are, they’re fucking chaotic. |