| User | joeyalphabet |
| Topic | Food fascists |
| Message | I read about how the Chicago city council, after pressure exerted by animal rights activists, passed an ordinance banning foie gras in the city. It’s saddening to think that a few PETA terrorists can exert enough influence to force such an action. Truth be told, foie gras, to me at least, is disgusting. As are oysters, liver, squid and asparagus. But anybody who wants to should be able to eat them if they so choose. I’d gladly gag down some foie gras just to shove their nose in it if I lived in Chicago. What’s next? Cops at the city limits inspecting grocery bags for contraband?
What I see that’s truly disturbing in all this is how a very small, extremist group who happens to be very media savvy can dictate what their warped agenda to everybody else. If you want to be a vegetarian, God bless you and go right ahead. But don’t be little Hitlers telling everybody else what you want them to do. When will it end? It’s one thing to advocate for more humane treatment of animals or protecting wild animals hunted for no good reason. But PETA has gone way, way overboard in seeking to inflict their views on everybody else. Will we soon be seeing local governments outlawing meat? This isn’t right! I should be able to eat whatever I want. So what does anyone else think? |
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| User | kanu | 2006-12-18 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | Kanu,
Do you really think anyone who eats meat cares how the cows, chicken, pigs, turkeys, etc. get slaughtered? *****Yes - even the managers of slaughter houses are conscious of it - thats why they have policies that prohibit the broadcasting of their daily goings on - at the very least how many advertisements for meat do you see of anything that comes close to real life footage of the dastardly deed? I used to watch my dad slaughter the chickens every spring- it didn’t stop me from eating them. I used to join my best friend when his dad slaughtered the pigs, again no problem eating them. ****not everyone reacts the same way since we are all individual - some people, upon seeing an animal slaughtered, even if they are only a child of a few years, vow never to eat meat again (I have encountered numerous persons like this) Ask any hunter/fisherman who has gutted a deer, elk, antelope, bison, trout, tuna, etc. if seeing their intestines fall out of their stomaches has turned them from hunting or fishing. *****lol - of course if one is de-sensitized by daily acts of cruelty its not inconceivable that they find it easier to get on with their life - particularly if they earn a livlihood from it If there weren’t slaughter houses, people would be plucking their thanksgiving birds in their back yards... and since it’s easier to buy a pre-plucked and gutted bird, I don’t have to worry about feathers floating across the fence. *****On the contrary, the opening of mass slaughter houses has greatly contributed to the wholesale consumption of flesh But that’s really the only difference it makes. *****Buying a piece of animal flesh is easier to purchase when itis dressed up like fresh linen on a market shelf |
| User | Chell | 2006-12-16 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | Kanu,
Do you really think anyone who eats meat cares how the cows, chicken, pigs, turkeys, etc. get slaughtered? I used to watch my dad slaughter the chickens every spring- it didn’t stop me from eating them. I used to join my best friend when his dad slaughtered the pigs, again no problem eating them. Ask any hunter/fisherman who has gutted a deer, elk, antelope, bison, trout, tuna, etc. if seeing their intestines fall out of their stomaches has turned them from hunting or fishing. If there weren’t slaughter houses, people would be plucking their thanksgiving birds in their back yards... and since it’s easier to buy a pre-plucked and gutted bird, I don’t have to worry about feathers floating across the fence. But that’s really the only difference it makes. |
| User | kanu | 2006-12-16 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | to exist inthis world it is impossible to be completely non violent - what you do see however is a gradation of violence - some habits are seen to be more violent than others - and herding up a bunch of animals to run a blade over their throats appears at one end of the scale while the collection of fruits and grains appears on the other end of thye spectrum- why else do some slaughter houses require vet trainees to sign legally binding documents that they will not public release anything they see in their complexes which are constructed in obscure places out of sight of the public eye? |
| User | joeyalphabet | 2006-12-16 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | Kanu, the fact is that every creature has to eat, and SOMEthing has to die in order for that to happen. So even vegetarians are killers, they just kill plants… |
| User | onetruesmartass | 2006-12-15 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | Of course it doesn’t make it less unpleasant. Life is messy and unpleasant, be it human or animal.
Looks like we’re just going to have to agree to disagree Kanu. I feel we’re talking in circles and, quite frankly, I’m getting bored. So, you enjoy your veggies and pasta and I’ll enjoy my cheeseburger. Or, I would if I could. lol Have a fantastic life buddy. *onetruesmartass* |
| User | kanu | 2006-12-14 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | I’ve never heard of an animal killing another just to "see what it felt like",
****Many carnivourous animals have the ability to go into a blood frenzy - surely you must have seen a cat play with a mouse and not eat it can’t say I’ve ever seen or heard of an animal trying to mate with its young offspring. ***** mother/daughter/sister don’t seem to make an appearance in the sexual nomenclature of the pig As for the monkey and baby deer (thanks for the oogey mental image by the way) I suppose that would be part of the food chain. ******Does that make it less unpleasant? From your last couple of posts Kanu, it seems that you don’t care for animals all that much, so what’s the big deal if someone wants to eat them? *****I guess your first premise is incorrect And as trite as it may seem, it’s still none of your buisness what someone else eats. If suddenly you were told you could no longer eat any vegetable or pasta because someone felt vegetables are living creatures and so is the grain pasta is made from, wouldn’t you be rather annoyed? *****perhaps not if they could also back up such statementsby indicating the social, economic, environmental and humane benefits of refraining from eating pasta |
| User | onetruesmartass | 2006-12-13 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | I’ve never heard of an animal killing another just to "see what it felt like", can’t say I’ve ever seen or heard of an animal trying to mate with its young offspring. As for the monkey and baby deer (thanks for the oogey mental image by the way) I suppose that would be part of the food chain.
From your last couple of posts Kanu, it seems that you don’t care for animals all that much, so what’s the big deal if someone wants to eat them? And as trite as it may seem, it’s still none of your buisness what someone else eats. If suddenly you were told you could no longer eat any vegetable or pasta because someone felt vegetables are living creatures and so is the grain pasta is made from, wouldn’t you be rather annoyed? ` *onetruesmartass* |
| User | kanu | 2006-12-12 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | Actually, you’re right Kanu. The differences between humans and animals is vast. With humans theres very little honor, we kill each other for nothing more than liking the others shoes, we shove each other into little boxes with labels and judge those that don’t fit. We refuse basic needs to each other such as food and shelter for lack of funds. We molest children and ignore our elders.
what ever remanant of honour we still possess, it stands superior to animals, since they have absolutely no qualms about doing the above (if we do it we tend to do it in secret or indirectly) - like for instance if a monkey may just spontaneously pull down a baby deer to suck the blood out of its eye socket Seems to me that the animals have the "higher nature". *onetruesmartass* ***one of the noticable lackings of animal life is the greatly reduced absence of recreational time - like how many instances in your life have you experienced someone trying to kill you to eat you or steal your possessions - how many times do you an animal might experience such things in a month? |
| User | kanu | 2006-12-12 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | **well, hopefully, the distinction between humanas and animals is obvious**
A few distictions between animals and humans: Animals don’t kill each other over ideas like politics, religions, and money. **** politics, religion and even money to an extent are all means or social mechanisms in human society that regulate violence (like for instand in places where religious principles, political representations and the state of the economy are all weak, its not uncommon to encounter more violence than places where they exist in a stronger form) Humans don’t believe in being humane to other humans who are suffering from terminal illnesses- even in the case of excruciating pain. *****On the contrary humans are quite sensitive to the sufferings of their fellows - like for instance a recent prize winning journalistic photograph was of a starving child crawling 800 m to a food relief station with a vulture about 3 metres away from them (the photographer later commited suicide BTW) Animals dont’ naturally overeat- or eat foods their bodies aren’t designed to handle. ****Humans also don’t tdo this naturally eitrher - when they do, it is a symptom of something unnatural Animals live in harmony with nature, Humans live in defiance of nature. (ever see a lioness wearing nylons to attract a mate, or perming/coloring it fur, getting botox treatments, liposuction, or even cooking it’s food?) *****This is because humasn have the special facility for spiritual life (ie the ability to conceive of their own mortality vs eternal values) - this is what the intelligence of the human is meant for - in the event of an absence of spiritual endeavour visible in society you encounter the artificial things that you mention and a whole lot more (ie ridiculous means to attain basic animal requirements of eating, sleeping, mating and defending) As for not seeing anything wrong with acting like an animal- I, personally think the world would be a much better place if we acted more like animals. *****Indicates how degraded/hopeless we are as a society if a person envies an animal (at least in the human form, despite how horrific it may be, we don’t usually encounter the 24 hr fear visible in critters of being eaten alive or the range of other newspaper headline style calamities that are just regukar daily affairs in animal life) Bottle-nosed Dolphins have sex with other mature dolphins for enjoyment- even homosexual sex- and then continue their lives with the others in their family. *****They also rape - dolphins are hardly the gurus of peace and harmony that they are portrayed as in contemporary mass media http://www.believermag.com/nonbookreviews/mammal_dolphin.php Humans (especially some in certain religions and government office) attempt to overcome our ’natural urges’ and end up preying on our children. ****And they are condemned for it or at least they do it in secrecy- at the very least when animals perform horrific acts they are never tries by tribunals or issued with fines theft or jay walking, what to speak of murder, incest, canibalism etc etc Gibbon apes, wolves, termites, coyotes, barn owls, beavers, bald eagles, golden eagles, condors, swans, brolga cranes, French angel fish, sandhill cranes, pigeons, prions, red-tailed hawks, anglerfish, ospreys, prairie voles, and black vultures all mate for life- even though up to 40% of offspring raised by the adults are not the offspring of the mated male. ****before the wholesale reduction of marriage to mere verbal agreement, marriage was commonly viewed to be on par with birth and death Humans throw away relationships over sexual indiscretion. money issues, political and religious differences, etc. ****animals throw away relationships based on food, survival and territory (like a mother kangaroo will dump her baby out of th e pouch if she is getting chased by dingoes ) I’m a bit confused re: the comment about many animals getting raped- How can something give consent when it can’t talk? If consent was required for procreation in the animal kingdome cats would be extinct. ****complex communication skills are not required to determine whether a living entity consents or not - like for instance if you stick a pin in an animal and it shrieks in pain and runs away (or tries to) its obvious it is not consenting - if you offer it some food and it comes up to eat it out of your hand, it is obviosu that it is consenting |
| User | onetruesmartass | 2006-12-12 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | Actually, you’re right Kanu. The differences between humans and animals is vast. With humans theres very little honor, we kill each other for nothing more than liking the others shoes, we shove each other into little boxes with labels and judge those that don’t fit. We refuse basic needs to each other such as food and shelter for lack of funds. We molest children and ignore our elders.
Seems to me that the animals have the "higher nature". *onetruesmartass* |
| User | Chell | 2006-12-12 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | **well, hopefully, the distinction between humanas and animals is obvious**
A few distictions between animals and humans: Animals don’t kill each other over ideas like politics, religions, and money. Humans don’t believe in being humane to other humans who are suffering from terminal illnesses- even in the case of excruciating pain. Animals dont’ naturally overeat- or eat foods their bodies aren’t designed to handle. Animals live in harmony with nature, Humans live in defiance of nature. (ever see a lioness wearing nylons to attract a mate, or perming/coloring it fur, getting botox treatments, liposuction, or even cooking it’s food?) As for not seeing anything wrong with acting like an animal- I, personally think the world would be a much better place if we acted more like animals. Bottle-nosed Dolphins have sex with other mature dolphins for enjoyment- even homosexual sex- and then continue their lives with the others in their family. Humans (especially some in certain religions and government office) attempt to overcome our ’natural urges’ and end up preying on our children. Gibbon apes, wolves, termites, coyotes, barn owls, beavers, bald eagles, golden eagles, condors, swans, brolga cranes, French angel fish, sandhill cranes, pigeons, prions, red-tailed hawks, anglerfish, ospreys, prairie voles, and black vultures all mate for life- even though up to 40% of offspring raised by the adults are not the offspring of the mated male. Humans throw away relationships over sexual indiscretion. money issues, political and religious differences, etc. I’m a bit confused re: the comment about many animals getting raped- How can something give consent when it can’t talk? If consent was required for procreation in the animal kingdome cats would be extinct. |
| User | kanu | 2006-12-12 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | well, hopefully, the distinction between humanas and animals is obvious - during the mating seasons many animals get raped too
I guess if a person can not see anything wrong with acting like an animal, there is not much of an argument that one can lodge to appeal to their higher nature |
| User | onetruesmartass | 2006-12-10 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | I’ll be mooin’ right there next to ya girl. lol
*onetruesmartass* |
| User | Chell | 2006-12-09 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | The answer should be obvious...
It’s ok for the lioness, or the Komodo dragon, or any other meat eater to stalk, and slowly, painfully kill another animal because they’re carnivores. Kanu maintains that humans are herbivores by nature- hence no claws, no sharpened teeth (other than the canine- the same canines squirrels use to open nut shells). We don’t eat our meat raw. We discard the intestines- something alll carnivores eat. And we run slower than almost every animal we eat. I mean without guns, slings, spears, (tools) we would be vegitarians by nature because we couldn’t catch and kill anything worth eating with just our natural abilities. Just pray (prey, lol) you get reincarnated into a carnivore next life around. I fi could pick the next time around, I’d pick that pasture, the skill of the vetrinarian that my owner employes, the hay and oats that come to me, a stall that gets cleaned, and a bolt through the head when it’s my time to go. I’m ok with that life...) |
| User | joeyalphabet | 2006-12-09 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | Yeah, I know OTSA. No one answered that question when I asked it either. |
| User | onetruesmartass | 2006-12-07 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | Also, what is the difference between humans eating meat and animals in the wild eating other animals? Have you ever seen a Komodo dragon take down prey? They have a slow acting poison in their saliva that paralizes the prey so they can eat it while it’s still alive. Talk about cruelty. A gazelle running for it’s very life while a lioness takes it down is more humane than a farmer slaughtering livestock he paid for and raised? How exactly does that work?
*onetruesmartass* |
| User | onetruesmartass | 2006-12-07 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | I don’t believe in censorship, but I do think such things need to be handled by parents, not a self-righteous group only interested in getting their own messages across instead of the truth. I’ve seen the comic and I know for a fact that what they’ve shown is not what happens in all slaughterhouses. My father has been a meat cutter for a better portion of my life, he and my grandfather(s) worked in slaughterhouses as well as a few uncles and cousins. I’ve visited these facilities and found they were nothing like they were depicted. I’m not saying all slaughter houses are good, there are some things that need to be changed in how our food is processed. But that is the exception, not the rule.
*onetruesmartass* |
| User | kanu | 2006-12-02 | |
| Subject | untitled |
| Message | well you can see how veal makes its way screaming to the dinner plate of others ... or at least you could if you don’t have a censorship policy against such information
"The comic made for and distributed to children that depicted (very graphically) the slaughtering of animals for food was way over the top. This is absurd and these morons need to be slapped back a few paces. *onetruesmartass*" |