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User	Michael Allan | 2007-07-12 |
Subject	Results
Message	Thank you to those who responded. The poll results summed across the various forums are: ------------------------------------ Inclined to participate in the proposed beta: 5 Not inclined to participate: 5 ------------------------------------ details: http://zelea.com/project/textbender/d/_/poll-alpha-beta.xht The results indicate that some artists, at least, would be inclined to participate, despite a primitive beta implementation. The frequency of positive responses was higher than expected. It suggests that some artists might also be inclined to participate earlier than beta. To test this possibility, the project has now been opened to artists (and to other participants as well). For anyone who is interested, please see: http://zelea.com/project/textbender/contributors.xht Thanks again.

User	Michael Allan | 2007-06-30 |
Subject	.
Message	Yes, legal plagiarism, that’s the right way to look at it. And it would take all the fun out of it too (or at least all the advantage) because originality would no longer be so prized as it used to be, in a recombinant medium. Still, you cannot "write whatever [you] wish, and let the programs document the sources." They will only document sources when you explicitly copy (as in copy and paste) from them. But you could still write first (implicitly copying from the source, as you suggest), and then make a few clicks to "paste" in the source attribution, after the fact. And the end result would be the same, in both cases.

User	Blue Monk | 2007-06-30 |
Subject	untitled
Message	I wonder what "style(s)" would be generated and whether it could be considered the ultimate in legal (perhaps) plagiarism? How would the services of http://www.plagiarism.org/ have to be adjusted to account for genetic tags? Would this mode of writing be accepted by academia as documented research? I propose to write whatever I wish and let the programs document the sources for me automatically. Of course I would be credited for anything "original". Pretty lazy of me but also SOP in my case, having little I really care to prove at this point. The possibilities are getting more intriguing.

User	Michael Allan | 2007-06-29 |
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Message	OK, I like the idea of a debate. I can’t take sides (I’m not an artist) but a debate would answer my question, even better than a poll. When I try to look at it as an artist might, I come up with this: http://zelea.com/project/textbender/d/_/pro-compose.xht Your question brings to mind an analogy with Jazz improv. Collaboration plays out as a kind of dialogue. If you want, you can do your own thing, and go solo with the text. Alternatively, you can work tightly with the others, and respond in kind to their leads. Or do both, each at different times. If that analogy is valid, then a Jazz musician could answer your question.

User	rouge wave | 2007-06-29 |
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Message	I’m sure we could turn this into a debate - don’t know if you need a new forum thread to do so though - but a question like "Would this be cheating?" could be asked. I am personally intrigued by this. First, I have no idea what it is, even after viewing the websites. I think it is yet another innovation, especially for the Net: another use of mediums and ideas. I’m always for that sort of thing... but does it authenticate our otherwise poetic tastes? Or molds it from others? This is what I can’t really figure out. But genuinely intrigued.

User	Michael Allan | 2007-06-29 |
Subject	untitled
Message	True, it’s not a debate; more of a poll. Did I get the wrong forum topic, then? (’Evolutionary genetics’ is a formal field of biology. True, the two terms interconnect in meaning somewhat, but one does not necessarily imply the other. As you suggest, texts do *evolve* from prior texts (somewhat like horses from prior horses); however, no *genetics* underlies textual evolution.) But I’m the horses ass, because I didn’t state my premise clearly, and now I can’t fix it. The ’Edit Post’ feature on this site is busted. What should I do? Repost the question etc. in this thread? In another thread? Or in another forum topic?

User	Blue Monk | 2007-06-28 |
Subject	untitled
Message	(now there’s a debate)

User	Blue Monk | 2007-06-28 |
Subject	untitled
Message	I predict terminal terms, for instance, the term "evolutionary" is superfluous to the term "genetics" since evolution is inherent with genetics. Perhaps I’m just being a horse’s ass, but isn’t what is being contemplated just an attempt to better document the process of authorship considering that "there’s nothing new under the sun, everything comes from somewhere?"