| User | dismentled | | Topic | writing | | Message | Ok, last I checked this was a website for writers, and assuming that hasn’t changed, on this subject it’s your opinions I’m interested in. I got in another debate(I know, I know, me debating :P) with my english professor, about writing. Being that I’m speaking from personall expereince, I felt differently. I told him, that if one is already in possesion of such a gift that they will be more inclined to write than one, who struggles. As well that most writers(that I’ve spoken with) find that when writes, of any kind are forced, rather than fealt out, are less satisfying and often not as well written. This is where he said that "all TRUE writers plan out each of their writes, and that ’feeling out’ is a sign of a bad writer"...Needless to say, I responded not so tactfully saying that, well if you know so much, than why aren’t you published already; after all you know what they so "those who can’t do, teach" and than I was asked to leave class. So as a writer, what are your thoughts? |
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| User | silent strings | 2008-02-03 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | crazy inspiration followed by meticulous editing (mostly rhythm and diction retouching, to be honest). i see both sides here and embrace both equally. works for me. |
| User | tZar | 2008-02-03 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | I would have to agree with your professor. And I think I would have kicked you out aswell had I been a teacher. You were being rude, plain and simple - you were trying to get the guy, not the argument!
As to feeling opposed to planning: It is a fact that most good writers plan out there writings.
The feeling out a poem is at best an early draft, fragments that can be used for compiling a desent text. Feeling out a ’finished’ piece of work, tends to end up being a personal account of no interest to other, then the writer him/herself and maybe some other involved people. But good poetry (if poetry at all) it seldom is.
As it has been said in an other comment: Your opinion, is not interesting, and I cannot see that it is anything but your opinion, hence we can ignore it in an argument. If it is actually based in anything but your personal feelings, you might have something, if not your proberbly better off keeping it to yourself.
-tZar |
| User | UnderINK | 2008-02-02 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | I think some people can write and some people can’t really write, and those that can are more inclined to do so. I don’t really plan out any of my writings, they just happen. I like writing so I do it more often, and I can. People I know that aren’t so good at it don’t like to waste their time and have to rigorously plan everything when they do. I think both sides have their points. |
| User | Blue Monk | 2007-12-17 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | even better:
http://winkieslol.ytmnd.com/ |
| User | Blue Monk | 2007-12-17 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | For all you English Profs out there:
http://www.wendyswizardofoz.com/sounds/winks1.mp3 |
| User | Jeniffer | 2007-12-11 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | I’d say that English professor is both right and wrong....
Let’s see...I’ve been published twice in the past; not a very big deal, but it’s something. Once in a local newspaper and then in a magazine. The first one was a little poem that just came in a burst of creativity, and the second was a story that I both put my heart into and busted my butt on. From what I know of writing, it has to be both, depending entirely on your purpose and audience. It’s much easier to just write what and when you feel, and it can be a pain to follow guidelines and rules and be slave to a deadline. But if you rely only on the former, you get lazy. A good writer isn’t a stranger to sudden inspiration, but also knows how to write with discipline. What if you start a novel based on a spur of the moment idea and then abandon it when you hit a snag? If you want to be a successful writer, there really should be a balance of work and sincere inspiration. It doesn’t take much to dream something up, but it takes a good amount of work and planning to bring that dream into reality. Isn’t that what a writer does? |
| User | alteredlife | 2007-12-10 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | Ya... symbiosis... one pushing the other. Well-said, Mr Blue. |
| User | Blue Monk | 2007-12-09 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | "all TRUE writers plan out each of their writes, and that ’feeling out’ is a sign of a bad writer"... (Topic Message)
As to the discussion given for the topic at hand, I again tend to agree with what dismentled said and the only item I have any problem with from a logical standpoint is the above statement attributed to the prof at hand. If this is a correct recollection of that brief discussion, I’d have to judge it as being an ill considered and unqualified statement, being more a matter of dogmatic opinion than any actual observation of both "True" and "bad" writers, except perhaps as having been observed in the single experience of trying to teach many non-writers and very few "True" or "gifted" ones - meaning those who actually gave the prof exactly what he or she wants.
I say this because there is actually no difference between "planning out" and "feeling out". They both mean the same thing albeit the insinuation is that "planning" involves a written outline of some sort while "feeling" is a mental process of gathering the same sort of ideas. Any implied difference between the two quickly evaporates as an author’s body of work actually begins to take form, whereupon both written and mental outlines will always evolve somewhat as the writing and rewriting continues. The extent of such evolution is more a factor of the author’s personal creativity, degree of inspiration and level of dicipline than whether the outline was originally written or mentally sketched (which ability is indeed a gift).
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| User | XmaryjaneX | 2007-12-07 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | i think you did the right thing babe
"and those who can’t teach...teach gym" -school of rock
newayz
i agree and support you totally and it was ridiculous for him to tell you to leave class
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want me to play on his pupils with toothpicks??
c’mon i’ll let you watch
;P
<3 |
| User | Blue Monk | 2007-12-06 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | I would only be a professional teacher if I got paid for it. Send your cash (only) to: |
| User | mae | 2007-12-05 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | Actually, we’re equal opportunity dumpers,
LOL, you’re right there, Blue.
Blue, you’re a teacher? I didn’t know that. Well, then, folks, dump away! Blue can handle it!
mae |
| User | silent_death12 | 2007-12-05 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | I mostly agree with Blue on this one; the fact that he is a teacher saying this kind of thing isn’t the main focus. It’s the fact that he’s generalizing to that extent at all. |
| User | Blue Monk | 2007-12-04 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | Why do we need to dump on one particular profession? - mae
Actually, we’re equal opportunity dumpers, but I don’t feel that such mild expressions of unsatisfactory experiences with the judgement of some particular teacher amounts to dumping on the profession, or is even worthy of being called dumping. |
| User | Ronswords | 2007-12-04 | | | Subject | Hi | | Message | Some of my best memories are from the teachers I had in school as a child
Ican honestly say I would be so different and so less knowledgable if it wasnt for their caring hearts
Teachers deserve so much more credit and money then they receive now for being next to a Childs parents the biggest influences in their lives
God Bless
Ron |
| User | mae | 2007-12-04 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | You know, guys, in defense of all the good teachers out there - I had many more teachers who cared about their students and teaching them well than I did the other kind. This particular man has a lack of social skills - and that isn’t limited to teachers. We can all take any profession and find examples in our own experiences that have been idiots. Why do we need to dump on one particular profession? mae |
| User | dismentled | 2007-12-04 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | OH, hell now, think that’s bad, try getting praised up and down like a fucking idol, on how"AMAZING" IT WAS, BUT THAn getting a "c" cause you used your own ideas instead of regurgitating his! |
| User | Blue Monk | 2007-12-03 | | | Subject | AAAAGGGGHHHH! | | Message | English teachers... how about one who makes it a point to compliment your work, also remarking how very analytical it is (the point of the exercise), and then gives you a "B" on it without giving reason? |
| User | Blue Monk | 2007-12-03 | | | Subject | Easy Answer Mae | | Message | Epic poems exhibit more class than the alternatives, aside from taking more talent.
Celtic woman anything is good for me.
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| User | dismentled | 2007-12-03 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | Thanx for all the input, it is good to know and hear of the varrying opinions. |
| User | mae | 2007-12-03 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | dismentled - I spoke out of being offended, and feeling like I(and many of whom I know) were being attacted and scrutinzed for the way we practice our craft
mae - I understand that, perfectly. I had a person - another writer and an English teacher, to boot - ask me the other day where the benefit was in telling a story in an epic poem rather than just writing prose. AAAAGGGGHHHH! I was so taken aback, I didn’t have a good answer.
I have had several poems published, both online and in print. I also have an epic poem that has been published as its own book as well as an audio book. It’s called Celtic Queen and it’s available on Barnes and Noble.com.
mae
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