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User	Ronswords | 2008-06-26 |
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Message	Dismentled I will do that Ill look into it We may have had our problems in the past but I did mean what I said If I were a match to you I would have donated you one of my kidneys Let me also say I was speaking in general when I said that abusive parents our mentally ill and need help I did not say nor insinuate your parents our or were mentally ill I Hope you feel better I for one will be pulling and Praying for you!! God Bless Ron

User	dismentled | 2008-06-26 |
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Message	Ron, I’m not about to blame you for MY actions. I’m well aware of what i did. But my parents(with the xception of my step-mom) aren’t mentally ill. they just suck, terribally so! And my moms actaully been challenged twice for custody(not by my dad) she’s so bad, and my dad has lost his kids 3 different times to socail services, and was forced to take parenting classes. And thanx for the offer. but now adays you don’t have to be a match. you can save 2 lives. if your not, you can give it to someone else, and someone like me would be bumped to the top of the waiting list. anyways, why thats a kind offer, if you really mean it; do it for someone in your city. a good deed, is a good deed; you don’t need to know someone for that

User	Ronswords | 2008-06-25 |
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Message	Dismentled Your right it isnt as you say none of my f...... business but when you put your life on open view in a forum I am part of you have then made it my business I didnt do that you did You bring up points I do not disagree with But I ask you just because someone is mentally ill does not mean they do not Love their children It means they need desperate help to overcome their illness and then again be a productive member of society Oh by the way you say these things about me that are bad or ignorant BUT ILL TELL YOU WHAT E MAIL me my Friend and you have my word I SWEAR TO GOD If my blood type and Kidney match what you are then You have my word I will donate one of my kidneys too you WHY???? Because that my Friend is what God would want me to do Its your move my Friend This is no Joke I dont lie!!! God Bless Ron

User	dismentled | 2008-06-24 |
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Message	Alright Ron. First off pointing out that "others Please note I have never stooped down to insulting others personally as Silent Death 12 has just done to me as that would mean I have let the Negativity on the earth absorb me" makes you come off as being better, and certaintly points out how little humility you have, that you feel the need to point some like that out; which is a lie. We’ve All witnessed it, and no I can’t tell you when and where, because i don’t keep track of petty shit like that. And I full heartedly agree with mae, which i scarce. But its a debate forum, i agree with whom I think is right, not who i do or don’t like. I know for a fact that, not all parents love their children. I’ve no ida what you’ve seen. But the things i have, are unexscuable, heart-wrenching, and flat out makes you question how such a "loving god" in whoe image we’re made, can allow such abominations! and as for my father, not that it’s ANY of your FUCKING bussiness, but he LIterally left me to die twice! Jess, is the ONLY one aside from me who knows of it all. First after kicking me and my mom out on x-mas eve, he promised the doctors his kidney for me, since he was the ONLY match, and felt than that I WOULD DIE without it. # times, they tried to get him, twice using the police since he had already signed a binding contract. he ran away. and when they court ordered child support, he worked under the table. not once in 18 yrs did he send me a card, call, or even say hi through a relative. But, after 18 yrs. of being chronically abused by my mother and step-dad, ohysically, emotionally, psychologically I was intent on meating him. I dealt with his abuse for nearly 4 yrs(cause I had nowhere else to go, thanx to my dependency on medication costing $1500 a month) b4 he kicked me out, and left me for dead again. cause 1 missed dose of my meds would cause my kidneys to fail, he didn’t/still doesn’t care. I wound up getting urema, lost my kidney, am back on dialysis, and nearly died. he still hasn’t even asked about me. And that was while watching him thow(literally pick up and throw) my brothers, and sister into the wall, let my brother sleep in shyt, baught beer instead of paying the bills. you know, everything a loving parent does. so go ahead ron, keep thinking that about people like my parents, people who get aboritions, people who murder, sell, rape their kids. yes they REALLY love them, don’t they and that was after enduring the

User	Ronswords | 2008-06-24 |
Subject	Hi
Message	I apologize for the double post I am not afraid to apologize when I have done something wrong God Bless Ron

User	Ronswords | 2008-06-24 |
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Message	Quite easily Silent Death 12 As I have said there are negative situations that have caused a person in this case a parent that can be corrected with proper therapy and proper medical help Sadly in todays society there are many situations such as abuse that does cause someones mind to react negatively Thank God there are proper doctors and proper medication that can cure someone from performing these sad pitiful acts in return And no I dont stick my Head out of my ass for just a second For that would stop me from thinking Also remember just because you dont agree with me dosent make me stupid or have my head up my ass To others Please note I have never stooped down to insulting others personally as Silent Death 12 has just done to me as that would mean I have let the Negativity on the earth absorb me Silent Death 12 I hope you find the Happiness you are looking for You always say you are Happy but Look carefully at how you just insulted me Is that the words of a Happy person???? I will be Praying for you my Friend God Bless Ron

User	Ronswords | 2008-06-24 |
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Message	Quite easily Silent Death 12 As I have said there are negative situations that have caused a person in this case a parent that can be corrected with proper therapy and proper medical help Sadly in todays society there are many situations such as abuse that does cause someones mind to react negatively Thank God there are proper doctors and proper medication that can cure someone from performing these sad pitiful acts in return And no I dont stick my Head out of my ass for just a second For that would stop me from thinking Also remember just because you dont agree with me dosent make me stupid or have my head up my ass To others Please note I have never stooped down to insulting others personally as Silent Death 12 has just done to me as that would mean I have let the Negativity on the earth absorb me Silent Death 12 I hope you find the Happiness you are looking for You always say you are Happy but Look carefully at how you just insulted me Is that the words of a Happy person???? I will be Praying for you my Friend God Bless Ron

User	silent_death12 | 2008-06-24 |
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Message	How can you honestly believe that every parent loves their child and just, essentially, needs "fixed" to show it ’properly’? Do you [ever] stick your head out of your ass? even just for a second?

User	Ronswords | 2008-06-24 |
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Message	Mae Im backing away from NOTHING I still believe and always will believe there is a bond from birth between parents and children of Love that cannot be broken I do and always will believe that all parents Love their children and as I explained some parents have ben abused themselves or had some negative situation that has in return affected their mindset and they despertely need help to be healed as with help they can be recuperated Just because they have been through a trauma that has affected them vwery strongly and negatively does not mean they do not Love their children With the right help and the right guidance they can be recuperated and their Love will again shine on the family unit Hopefully that explains everything You enjoy your day Mae God Bless Ron

User	mae | 2008-06-23 |
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Message	I’m saying, Ron, that you have previously said that you believed all parents loved their children and that there was a bond between parents and children that could not be broken, but now, to me anyway, you seem to be backing away from that. Your last statements (where you added "that’s all I’m saying",) don’t say that at all. And if ’that’s all’ you’re saying, what happened to your assertion concerning parental love? I chose not to answer the comment on children being born good because I was trying to get this parental love issue answered to my satisfaction. But if you wish, I will address it - I don’t believe that children are born "good" and then warped, so to speak, by their life experiences. I believe everyone is born with a personality and temperament and a penchant for self-centeredness and all that that brings. No child has to be taught to be selfish or to lie. They must all be taught to share, to be kind and to tell the truth. Do our life experiences shape us? Absolutely. But I don’t believe that one’s environment (life experience) is the only defining factor in the behavior they choose when they are older. And make no mistake, our behavior is a choice. Children are not born blank slates. Anyone who thinks that needs to spend some time in a maternity ward nursery just observing. mae

User	Ronswords | 2008-06-21 |
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Message	Mae I dont understand what you are trying to say Mae I respect you and I by no means want to argue with you You know darn well what I am saying You are the only one who dosent understand what Im trying to say Please read this paragraph again closely and you will understand my point perfectly I never said there wasnt evil (I prefer the word negativity) in this world Sadly your right it is everywhere But again what I am saying is we need to get at the root of that negativity and correct it before sadly it is to late I for one believe STRONGLY there will be World Peace one day on this Earth and when it does happen the One and only Person we can Thank for that is The Love of The Lord That may is not an opinion it is a fact All Good in this World is Thanked to The Lord As for the Negativity on this Earth that is from our own Hands and NEVER EVER would I ever blame this Negativity on The Lord He is A Peace Loving God and I Thank Him every day of my life for His Beautiful gift of Love I ask you Mae were this people born Negative or as you say Evil I Think not and I dont think you do either Thats the only point Im trying to make Something happenend to them that I believe strongly with proper rehibilatation can be fixed Thats all im Saying We are all born Loving its the sick sad state of the few in society that are destroying Life for those of us that are good Thats all im saying That explains my point perfectly I noticed you didnt comment on my point of saying people arent born bad they are made bad by something that has happenend to them May I ask why not? God Bless Ron

User	mae | 2008-06-21 |
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Message	Thats the only point Im trying to make Thats all im Saying Thats all im saying So, you no longer hold that all parents love their children and that there is an unbreakable bond between them? Because that’s a very different point than the one you now say you are trying to make. mae

User	Ronswords | 2008-06-21 |
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Message	Mae As I said before you are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine I never said there wasnt evil (I prefer the word negativity) in this world Sadly your right it is everywhere But again what I am saying is we need to get at the root of that negativity and correct it before sadly it is to late I for one believe STRONGLY there will be World Peace one day on this Earth and when it does happen the One and only Person we can Thank for that is The Love of The Lord That may is not an opinion it is a fact All Good in this World is Thanked to The Lord As for the Negativity on this Earth that is from our own Hands and NEVER EVER would I ever blame this Negativity on The Lord He is A Peace Loving God and I Thank Him every day of my life for His Beautiful gift of Love I ask you Mae were this people born Negative or as you say Evil I Think not and I dont think you do either Thats the only point Im trying to make Something happenend to them that I believe strongly with proper rehibilatation can be fixed Thats all im Saying We are all born Loving its the sick sad state of the few in society that are destroying Life for those of us that are good Thats all im saying God Bless Ron

User	mae | 2008-06-21 |
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Message	But I ask you Dont you think the parents you are speaking of think of their children all the time or at least a little And trust me Mae deep down they do and you can also trust me they only wanted what was best for their child No, Ron, I don’t. I also don’t think they wanted the best for their child. They wanted the best for themselves. And why should I trust you on this? What credentials do you have that would engender trust on this issue? You’ve never had a child. You tell yourself that all parents love their children, because that’s the way you think it should be. And you tell yourself that despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. Out of one side of your mouth you say that all parents love their children, then out of the other side you make excuses for those who treat their children in abominable ways. There is evil in the world, Ron, and parents who mistreat their children are part of it. Love has no part in evil. As I said before, to think all parents love their children and always do is merely wishful thinking. mae

User	Ronswords | 2008-06-20 |
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Message	I assure you latentlylyrical I pray for every living breathing soul and creature in this World every single day Thank You for the points you brought up I am not denying the strong and true points you bring up but I am merely saying we as a society need to wake up to these faults and at least attempt to rehabilatate people before sadly it will be too late God Bless Ron

User	latentlylyrical | 2008-06-20 |
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Message	Ron, it would be wonderful to believe that you are right. It should be a law of nature that humans who create a child together would both love said child as naturally as breathing. If this were true, there would be no need for the many social service programs, charities, child-protection laws, etc. Children are neglected, abused, and even murdered by their parents on a daily basis. If you have not noticed this, I suggest reading the paper or watching the news more often. If you are aware of this happening, but, believe that those parents who neglect or abuse their children are merely confused, or ill, or just need guidance, I say you are living in a dreamworld, and need to wake up. There are parents who simply dont give a rats ass about the welfare of their children. Many children need your prayers...dont ignore them by believing they are loved by their soulless parents.

User	Ronswords | 2008-06-20 |
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Message	Mae You respectfully are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine You bring up some good points there is no denying that But I ask you Dont you think the parents you are speaking of think of their children all the time or at least a little And trust me Mae deep down they do and you can also trust me they only wanted what was best for their child As for parents that beat or abuse their child this my Friend is extremely wrong and I dont agree in any way that this is Helpful to the child But we also muc=st remember that people that do this are EXTREMELY sick and despertely need help Its like I always say the Prison system is wrong in the aspect that they are only there to punish people What happens when their sentence is up?????? We must remember Prisons were created in the first place to reprogram people if you will and get at the root of their problem and FIX IT if it can be fixed We as a society have turned away from that idea and believe it is just meant to punish This my Friend is the Gravest misjustice that is forever being formed on this Earth We are supposed to Help people recover not automatically become God and just punish them Again I Believe strongly that ALL parents deep down Love their children no matter what God Bless Ron

User	mae | 2008-06-20 |
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Message	Ron, I am the parent of five children, three I bore and two I adopted. I can tell YOU from experience that parents do NOT always love their children automatically. To think that in light of all the horrific things that parents do to children is simply to have your head stuck in the sand. Perhaps the mothers you worked with were pining away for their children, but the mother of the children I adopted was not. We all met her; my daughter went to live with her for awhile after she graduated from high school. She came home knowing what it was like to be rejected all over again. And since you yourself have never borne a child, nor been a father, how can you know what is "automatic" and what is not? A mother does not automatically love her child, Ron. There may be a bond, but it may not be love. A baby is born with a personality and a temperament. He or she is a teeny little stranger to its mother. They must both get to know each other. This may happen very quickly, or it may never happen. And what may have passed - or even actually been - love when the child was small can change, depending on the parent and his/her personality or problems. You can disagree with me all you want or as strongly as you want, but that doesn’t make you right. And in this, you simply are not right to say that ALL parents AUTOMATICALLY love their children and ALWAYS love their children. That view is simply too narrow to have any credence at all. It’s wishful thinking. mae

User	Ronswords | 2008-06-18 |
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Message	Mae I have never done this before Mae but I have to disagree strongly with your statement that Mothers or Fathers dont automatically love their sons and daughters from the very begining Their is a nutural bond that is created at birth that cannot and will not ever be broken Lets take for example a Mother puts her child up for adoption for one reason or another I know as a fact thru working with these Mothers they spend almost their entire life wishing they could get to know this child and let them know they truly Love them but it was the only thing they thought they could do to better this childs life I have never in my 39 years ever met a parent who didnt Love their child Again I have to disagree strongly with you on this one Mae Parenthhod and Love for their child is automatic and cannot be broken As for me speaking to Dismentled I was only trying to Help and I do believe strongly Dismentled himself knows this Nothing was said to offend Dismentled or his Father I was merely trying my best to show him that his Father does Love him but maybe just dosent know how to show it properly Either way I will be Praying for them both I know throygh experience as I said how painful that pain feels God Bless Ron

User	mae | 2008-06-18 |
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Message	Ron, you assume a great deal. Fathers, and for that matter, mothers, don’t automatically love their sons or daughters "deep down", or at all. I agree that dismentled needs to figure out how to forgive his father, but for his own sake, not his father’s. You shouldn’t give him platitudes when you don’t really know his situation. mae