| User | RequiemOfDreams | | Topic | Poetry forced? | | Message | Forced rhyming... I’ve seen many people say this. As if the words didn’t come naturally or aren’t perfect to their perspective- a person will say that looks like forced rhythem.
What does everyone think of this? Must poems be rhym’d to be enjoyed? Must every word be a word in the dictionary?
I think that forced rhyming is not neccessarilly a bad thing. When a the words change- it infact marks a point of change. Perhaps I am writing about the perfect day- and then something really bad happens... How can I show that very subtly?
Perhaps with a subtle change in rhyme.
For example-
"Everything was perfect that day in May
The suns bright light made the ground no longer gray
The people’s bright faces made it a great day
Then I tripped and fell"
Then I could make the day back to being perfect.
"I tripped and fell in such a wonderful way
I fell on twenty dollars, hooray!"
Back to being bad
"Then the clerk said twenty dollars wasn’t enough"
Back to being good
"But my credit card in my pocket had enough to pay,
I paid the clerk and continued my stay"
Certainly I couldn’ve used better words. Instead of "wasn’t enough" I could have used wouldn’t cover the pay. But wasn’t enough was a change I wanted.
So forced rhyming- as I’ve heard it termed- is not neccessarilly a bad thing. |
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| User | Mwa Ha Ha Ha Ha | 2004-09-06 | | | Subject | HI! | | Message | It’s not the rhyme...it’s not the word use...it’s the feeling put into what you write...It’s honestly expressing your thoughts...forced or no, poetry is the writing of self, and who are we to judge who or what someone else is. |
| User | Eggman | 2004-08-28 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | It seems we’ve hit it...
If a rhyme does not fit with the structure, or leads onto a pointless tangent, then it is forced and ugly.
If the rhyme is predictable (in many cases, unless that was the intended style), it is ugly.
Rhyme can create beauty, but only in the right times. |
| User | lukewarm | 2004-08-03 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | to me forced rhyme is when the rhyme scheme takes away from the poem.
to me it’s either when either you have to change the syntax, or the word doesn’t quite rhyme, or when the syllables don’t match up, OR the word that you have to use to make it rhyme just doesn’t have the right effect, dulls it down, makes it stupid, causes unnecessary "filler lines." forced rhyming is a BAD thing. i’ve got no problem with rhymes as long as they don’t take away from the poem. |
| User | Sandburg | 2004-08-01 | | | Subject | Created Words | | Message | I think it’s a valid thing to create a word if it has a meaning to you, something you could explain, or better yet, one that is obvious to someone with an actual mind! It happens all the time, there is even a website called wordspy.com that tracks the use of new words in the press, and when they start to see something new popping up, they report it. An example is Togethering. A word being used to describe extended families who vacation or recreate together. But I’ve used that word in a poem, Blue Door, to talk about living with all other people rather than being reclusive, so I bastardized it and stole it for my own. Now if you are saying you make up a word like mudgump just because it rhymes with gas pump and mudgump doesn’t mean a darn thing, then I don’t know if I could stick up for that. I’ve read some of your poems, I think you do VERY well with free verse.
peace,
Dave |
| User | leper messiah | 2004-07-31 | | | Subject | yep...its a disease | | Message | i think too much is placed on "rhyme". personally rhyme is difficult for my style, it cramps it a bit...i’ve been writin for a hundred years (or so it would seem) and still i have issues with it...i try, but i don’t believe that when it’s "tried" that it is genuine all of the time...i mean, some have it naturally, its a knack for them. i don’t got it...and i make words up all the time! some tell me that’s not fair of me to do...what the heck’s up with that, what do you guys think about making up your own words? some give emotion and visual to a write, or emotion or era or somethin, i dunno...for example, glimmerfade, mudtired, jazzrugged...these are a few words i’ve used and, well, not to brag, "created". i’m proud, and some would have me hang my head in shame and for what, a lil jealousy, maybe??? grrrr....latah~april |
| User | MyX | 2004-07-28 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | There are no never should’s in poetry....but god damn....webmaster is right by implying that, that just makes it a very SUCKY read.
I personally hate rhyming most of the time....
Myx |
| User | Sandburg | 2004-07-28 | | | Subject | Forced | | Message | My understanding of forced is when the syntax is twisted just to get something to rhyme. This would be a normal rhyme:
The sun has set, the moon will raise,
God gave this day, lets give him praise.
And twisted syntax to force a rhyme, from one of my own poems:
And then there was that fish of blue
who swam a paper river new
Because of course a new paper river doesn’t rhyme with blue.
Simplistic words and sing song rhyme schemes are a seperate subject.
I do those well too! |
| User | SugarMouse | 2004-07-23 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | Theere are no infallible rules, but I think I agree with the Webmaster on this one. Becky |
| User | Webmaster | 2004-07-18 | | | Subject | untitled | | Message | Teeheehee, watch me pee, sounds a bit cheesy ree-hee-hee-hee.
People like rhyming with one syllable words over and over sometimes. Never should the next line of the writing feel predictable, or "dictated" by the line before (forced). |
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