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User	Stalking Sylvia | 2004-11-09 |
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Message	To play devil’s advocate, we all had to start somewhere. Due to our changing society, beginner poetry is different now. When I was young, my first poem was about the stars and planets...but then again, my first cassette tape was Creedence Clearwater Revival. Things have changed...people have changed. Today’s youth is angry. Todays youth poetry is angry and hurt-filled. Parents are not paying attention to their children and children are just being a product of their family and society. When I was young, I didn’t know what "cutting" was. I don’t think there was even a term for it. Given, I’m only pushin’ 30, but we’ve come a long way, or should I say, we fallen a long way in three short decades. This does not make a teen’s poetry less valid. Everyone has to start from somewhere. You see, the problem lies in the lack of tolerance for these angsters. The more you tell them they suck, the worse it is for them. Can’t we just try to help them grow as writers instead of insulting their words? What makes one’s words more valid than theirs? Whatever happened to role models? The problem with our society doesn’t lie within the leaders we choose or the government. Our society as a whole has become so selfish that we have come to forget that everyone has to ascend one step at a time...starting from the bottom. Angsters, write on. If you give up every time someone tells you that your poetry suck, our society will evolve into a culture with NO WRITERS!

User	Learah | 2004-10-05 |
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Message	Right. If you post shit poetry, be prepared to receive shit for it. Nameless; you’re more than entitled to think that all writing is fine, but that doesn’t mean the work itself is Good. It’s good that people write, of course, and good that they want to fuel their passion into words, but they cannot do it properly if they do not learn HOW to write poetry. It’s not just vomiting word-bile onto paper and folding it in half to make a cat-sick yellow impression of a butterfly. That is not art, and neither is chopping cows in half and putting them in a tank of formaldehyde, as much as you may argue. Neither is sitting down, and ranting crap. But Sitting down and ranting in a literate, unique, and refreshing way, IS poetry. Get it now?

User	nameless_nobody | 2004-10-04 |
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Message	you underestimate the grumpyness of people like me who hate badly written ’comedy’ poems that make jokes at the expense of others.

User	girlinthephoto | 2004-10-04 |
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Message	Angela.. so glad to see that some people around here still have a sense of humour =) it made me laugh when i read it and i figured other people around here would appreciate it.

User	angela~ | 2004-10-03 |
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Message	girlinthephoto - I love that. It is sarcasm and irony at it’s best. Like a paint my the numbers set for the beginning angst poet. Whine, moan (insert reason here)....yeah....I found the humor in it! Thanks for the smile.

User	girlinthephoto | 2004-09-27 |
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Message	Aimee.. the only person who seems to insist on defending teen angst to no end is nameless.. and frankly i’m really tired of talking to the human equivalent of a brick wall. so if anyone else would like to take over. by all means go ahead. but be warned.. i dont think anything actually gets through to him. (oh and you don’t write like that at all Aimee.. you are definitely up there with sugarmouse)

User	nameless_nobody | 2004-09-27 |
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Message	a heavy mettler becomes an opera critique. will he ever give a good review? no a person who likes happy love poems coments on suicide poetry. will he ever say something nice? i never said you have to like the poem to coment you just have to like some poems of that style. otherwise you are giving your opinion on the syle of writting not the actual poem.

User	Aimee | 2004-09-26 |
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Message	lol...I love gustoboy. I’m surprised that there are so many people defending teen angst when I’ve seen every other ES member bitching against it. I agree that rants do nothing more than take up webspace. I especially hate it when people ask you to COMMENT on a rant; what do they want you to say?? I’m a teenager, but I (hopefully) don’t write like that. Don’t bother being so politically correct. If a poem’s bad, then it’s bad. Criticism can help to improve it, but not when it’s a rant. Don’t bother posting rants as pieces- put them on your livejournal or ES’s blog... just don’t try to pass it off as writing.

User	girlinthephoto | 2004-09-26 |
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Message	nameless... i don’t recall anyone generalising around here.. oh except you of course with your incredibly intelligent remark that ’all writing is fine’.. this poem is directed at specific types of teen writing. i did NOT say that ALL teen writing is crap... in fact there are a lot of teenagers on this site who are extremely talented.. sugarmouse is one of the first who comes to mind... i am always happy to comment on her work cause i know there is something WORTHWHILE and INTELLIGENT there.. "im saying only people who like teen angst shoud coment" again your spelling sucks. now... what the heck are you on? so if i don’t like a genre i’m not allowed to have an opinion on it? so if we follow that premise... you don’t like my opinion or this poem so you shouldn’t be commenting on it should you? and AGAIN for the hundredth time.. this site is supposed to serve as a workshop.. i didn’t realise that liking the poem was a prerequisite to commenting on it! you are constantly shooting your own argument down so why don’t you re-read the fourth stanza of that poem and follow its advice.

User	nameless_nobody | 2004-09-26 |
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Message	hey im saying only people who like teen angst shoud coment. comenting on a style you hate is pointless. to help someone you must understand their style. there is some bad teen venting but there is also some really good stuff. you cant just label all teen writers the same. if you hate the whole style of writting you clearly cant know whats good and whats bad. teen angst should be comented on by people who know what good teen angst is about not by people who think they are really original and briliant because they can be nasty to developing writters.

User	girlinthephoto | 2004-09-25 |
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Message	looks like i’ve been missing out on the excitement... Raksha.. i think that we’re all entitled to an opinion. if they’re going to put their poems in a public forum.. they have to face the possibility of people not liking them.. and making that very clear in their comments. sadly this site is inundated with people who are just looking for a pat on the back rather than any constructive criticism... if they’re writing for cathartic purposes..then they can go submit on poetry.com or any other submission gallery... i believe i am entitled to an opinion aren’t i? Nameless.. last time i’m going to bother addressing you on this topic in the hope that something actually gets through to you.. did i say that half the site writes like this? you guys obviously seem to think that without me saying anything. cause all i said was some people have to read this poem. that was it. as for the rest of your enlightened statements.. "all writting is fine" .. first of all .. it’s "writing". you might want to retrieve that dictionary. second of all.. to make that kind of statement just proves that you aren’t worth arguing with cause you have no clue what you’re talking about. if all writing was fine there would be no neeed for a site like this which is supposed to help improve your writing... not show off your "talent" (or lack of it as the case may be).. you said "its not for us to judge" ... AGAIN like askuri said..this is a writing workshop not submission gallery so yes it goddamn well is for me to judge if i want. "you can have your opinion on cliche teen suicide stuff".. you said it yourself.. cliche.. you want to write cliched poetry.. go ahead.. be unoriginal. be cliched. i find it hilarious that you used cliche in your description. thank you for proving my point....and one other thing.. you really need to do something about your grammar. darkwitchgoddes.. if you paid attention when you were reading you would realise it wasn’t telling you to stop writing... i havent read any of your poetry so i can’t judge.. but obviously you seem to think the poem is directed at you. so what it is actually saying is.. write something worthwhile. again.. havent read anything you wrote but from your response.. looks like you have a chip on your shoulder.

User	Aksuri | 2004-09-25 |
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Message	Ventings are annoying. If they sounds like they’re talking about themselves and took 1 minute to write it when they were really mad they shouldn’t waste people’s time posting it. "read my ventings and tell me what you think, and if you don’t like them, I’m going to blow up on your face" I’m really tired of the attitude. This is a critique forum, to improve people’s writings. If people give a critique, they should be respectful or else they should say they don’t want critiques in the description. The "I’m a genius" attitude and "you don’t understand" me stuff gets so damn old.

User	nameless_nobody | 2004-09-25 |
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Message	but its not for us to judge. no style of writting is better than any other style. you can have your opinion on cliche teen suicide stuff but that doesnt mean its right. we all have different opinions. just because its not your prefered type of writting it doesnt mean your opinion is right. its would be like me comenting on an opera. it could be the worlds greatest opera but i would still hate it because its not what i like. you cant discredit a whole style of poetry just because you dont like it. its just stupid.

User	Mister Fizzle | 2004-09-25 |
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Message	what style is she bashing? teenage angst suicidal cliche kung-fu grip style? just because a million people wrote the same useless crap over and over doesn’t make it a style. It just makes it boring and over used.

User	Mister Fizzle | 2004-09-25 |
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Message	this poem is the truth. you guys who don’t think so are kidding yourself. Are we supposed to like the work of a guy who paints really shit ty because he’s suicidal? And yes there is definetly bad writing out there. all writing is not "fine". That made me laugh. Sure it’s always a matter of opinion but to say all writing is fine is a gross generalization. If anything maybe this poem will open their minds to just how cliche what they write is. There is nothing a teenager hates more than to be cliche. Kind of Ironic huh.

User	Raksha | 2004-09-25 |
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Message	I don’t think that anyone should say those kinds of things to anyones poems or writings...what I have found out in my life time is that most people write about what they feel and what they have experience.Another thing is to is that you never know the other person on the other side of the computer so don’t go making rude and nasty comments you could really break someone if that person was on the brink.Hopefully that never happens...*knocks on wood*

User	nameless_nobody | 2004-09-25 |
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Message	i think all writting is fine. i personaly dont like some types of poetry but thats just my choice. what other people chose to write is still poetry and should be respected. you cant just say half the sites writters are shit just because they write a way you dont like. its like motzart and elvis. both musical giniuses just totaly different styles. you cant just say one style of writting is less good than another. thats SAF.

User	Aksuri | 2004-09-24 |
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Message	1. 13 year olds aren’t allowed on this site. 2. Yes yes, you are unique, just like everyone else. Be openminded. I’m tired of reading ventings. Nameless, find another topic to bastardize. This topic is actually important.

User	darkwitchgoddes | 2004-09-24 |
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Message	i like how i write... no... i love how i write! so if you have a problem with it to bad! i will never stop writing... it is my heart and soul...

User	nameless_nobody | 2004-09-24 |
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Message	do we really have to fight here i was looking for a new person to fight with.