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    dots Submission Name: I Kantdots
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    Author: Kristen Gudsnuk
    ASL Info:    21/f/CT
    Elite Ratio:    5.62 - 182/229/86
    Words: 135
    Class/Type: Poetry/Misc
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       I'm basically saying that morals are subjective and that there is no "absolute universal law of morals" like Kant said.


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    dotsI Kantdots
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    The universe is right & wrong-
    One ego-stroke is bliss
    Yet I know something is amiss
    In self-indulging for too long.

    Patricide is not too bad-
    Wait, what the fuck was that?
    I suppose if he's killed your cat
    & your mom, you can kill dad.

    Is there one wrong and one right,
    And all the stars abide?
    Two wrongs make it moral to've lied?
    Where is justice, so fair and bright?

    I can't, I. Kant.
    "Morality"
    Is far
          too slippery
                     a slope
                              for me.




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      I like this piece,I get what you mean about morals,if you adher to strictly to one code it limits you and comes back to bite you in the ass when your wrong.I got a sense of the death penalty,which is truly an issue that people will always be divided on and which there is no cut and dry answer.Personally,I like to think I'm against, but if someone killed someone in my family(or my cat lol)
    Id feel a bit different.There seems to be too many contradictions to be ultra moralistic.Thats what I got from this anyway,and it was written very well,the sense of intelligence was strong throughout.Unfortunately,I have no idea who Kent is so perhaps Ill find out:-)

    -Raphael

    | Posted on 2007-03-28 00:00:00 | by Raphael | [ Reply to This ]
      Hmmm... never had to read much of Kant besides an overview of his political theory... though morality and politics go hand in hand, down past the shanties and cardboard tents, to the park, where they watch the ducks float and think of better times.

    AS far as your poem- the title grabbed me with its little play... yeah. It made me laugh in a weird, inward way. The rhymes seem... forced, which is unusual for you, but it makes up for it in content.

    I have to say that I agree- hell, even reality is subjective... morals must be based on some sort of perception about how things are... and now I'm thinking of Scanner Darkly again... what was that he said?

    "I hope for everyone's sake the scanners do better. Because if the scanner sees only darkly, the way I do, then I'm cursed and cursed again, and will only wind up dead this way, knowing very little, and getting that little fragment wrong, too."
    | Posted on 2007-02-14 00:00:00 | by lukewarm | [ Reply to This ]
      Hey Kristeeen!

    Hah, I've been thinking about this very thing quite a bit lately, that I have. My basic theory is that if there is no God, to borrow a line from the Shins "there's no design, no flaws to find." Which means, there is no "right" or "wrong" as we know them, only different. Difference is the only constant. Pain and pleasure aren't bad and good, that is just our association with them, because of how society has developed. One is not per se better than the other, they are competely equal. Soceity's evolution is what dictates pain as something undesirable.

    And then regarding religions and moral law... well, I wrote a poem about this, "yesterday, a flat world," which says it better than I now can, but essentially, I question conviction, because if everyone is so founded in their beliefs and think everyone else is wrong... well, why is one person's conviction more right than someone elses? Even if some people say their's is more realistic, what does that even mean? When dealing with things we can't understand or comprehend, or even see, well, why does it matter how outlandish something sounds?

    Anyway, you've resurfaced all my thoughts. We are the result of our circumstances, and morality is relative to that, right? Right!

    Onward!

    justin

    ps - I liked your poem lol

    pps - you should change the "&" to "and."
    | Posted on 2007-02-02 00:00:00 | by IamYourTragedy | [ Reply to This ]
      I like this poem a lot, because it speaks of something that not everyone thinks, or likes to think about. This touches into something deep, that I think when some people read it, they'll sort of feel afraid, because it's true. There is not right or wrong, it's just a standard of morals put forth by society that people abide by. My morality states that good is what makes people happy, and doesn't cause pain. Bad is something that causes pain. Pain is a sign that something is wrong. Anyways, this is a great write, because it is so real, and it speaks to the reader about something important. And I loves me the last stanza. Awesome.
    Be blessed,
    ~Azura*
    | Posted on 2007-02-01 00:00:00 | by EmpathicAya | [ Reply to This ]


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