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Author:	Someones Epiphany
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Denis... thank you for challenging me and causing me to think... this is the outcome...

God is dead dots

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“God is dead
And we have killed him”
Or so Nietzsche once announced
Yet all too often
The death of God
Has been prematurely proclaimed.
God is not dead
Yet he chose to die for sin
Therefore do I crucify him daily?
God is not dead
And yet disillusionment abounds
As I come to the realisation
That we have institutionalised God
Confining him
To our small minded realm
Of time and space…
No… God is not dead
And we have not killed him
But we have shackled his greatness
And blinded our hearts to his love
Therefore we do crucify him daily…

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  I very much enjoyed this poem. I like the thoughts it puts forth. And I have always felt that we -do- partition little pieces of God off for our own use. As selfish and impossible as that is. But, seriously, all it takes is another big disaster before there are more believers. No but seriously. I only thought one part could have been really improved upon.

Therefore we do crucify him daily…

I would have changed to:
And thus, we do crucify him...daily.

That's just me.

| Posted on 2008-03-10 00:00:00 | by brokenmuse | [ Reply to This ]
  the church i attend (not lately) recently decided to expand and is going ahead with plans. spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on a huge new building complete with coffee shop, basketball courts,etc.etc.
lazy Christianity?
i dont know but i think the great commandment(is that the right word?) contained the word "go", requiring some sort of action.
"go therefore into all the world..." something like that.
besides according to the original definition of the word "church",i(we) ARE it (the church)
and i could use some money.:)
not sure why this made me have these particular thoughts, the part about confinement i
suppose.brought to mind plush buildings and the homeless folks i drive by on my way to work.
who's gonna go out into the street and bring the homeless,the poor,the sick and weak,who's gonna go out and bring them into the warmth of the plush building?
such a simple message really, when you break it down.
i like this a lot
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| Posted on 2007-10-21 00:00:00 | by eno1 | [ Reply to This ]
  "But we have shackled his greatness
And blinded our hearts to his love
Therefore we do crucify him daily…"

Aptly written.

I've never managed to write a poem about Christianity...it ends up as an essay or something!
| Posted on 2007-07-30 00:00:00 | by Maverique | [ Reply to This ]
  Not a good poem; but verse about a coherent piece of thinking in which you used verse to give order to your report. Let me think about the thinking ...

Three lines say what you're saying: "Confining him /To our small minded realm /Of time and space..."

The other lines are not-very-original ornamental burble about the metaphor that you quote from Nietzxsczchse, "God is dead". I admit that his name sounds like a stifled sneeze and I threw away one of his books after reading a few chapters and feeling vaguely nauseous, but I'm sure that there's nothing wrong with quoting him except that it seems to be kind of beside the point. I mean, the point is that we actually like Jesus a heap better than we like ole Jehovah - BECAUSE Jesus is merely an avatar, a special messenger, to our small-minded realm and can be treated like a human being because he is one.

That morbidly violent way of saying we "crucify" him is an unnecessary tradition left over from those darkly poetical ancient times. We can simply say that we hurt his feelings; and then we can go on to guess all the different ways we do that, and what his feelings might be, and end up realizing that one is actually a little Jesus of one's very own and not so privately either!

That's what your special three lines make me think of; but the rest of the poem only makes me think of the relationship between manic-depressive German philosophers and the Hebrew-speaking god of psychotic parenthood! And Hitler. And Elvis. You know Elvis Presley, Hitler and Jesus are all not dead? This is a mystery to me...

(Not christian myself. Maybe Daoist or something.)

| Posted on 2007-04-22 00:00:00 | by Glen Bowman | [ Reply to This ]
  This is a well written poem, but I must say that God is a conglomeration of false hopes and mans need for a scape goat. Man over the millenia has changed into a whole new monster. The failings of man caused them to make up and idol for pushing thier pain off on. It is quite a simple lie really and it is always the simplest of lies that are beleived and passed on to other people that are just as gullable. I cannot fault your beliefs and I cannot fault your poem in bias though. I like the structure and scheme of the poem and I am glad to see someone know how to write on here.

Sage
| Posted on 2007-02-12 00:00:00 | by sageeriol | [ Reply to This ]
  no... im just .... sorry... no i fear we may have lost him long ago when he cast his brother, lucifer, into a pit of shame, hell, fire, and into a like of fire, we lost him when he went mad without the conception of evil, so yes, for once i say: YES! we are alone in this world spiritual wise as with good but both his son and the son of lucifer now battle as lovers caught as time unravels and they sadden even more greatly as their makeup hatred runs with their tears of soft unspokenness, so, i am sorry, but no.
| Posted on 2007-01-19 00:00:00 | by eggshells | [ Reply to This ]
  this is an incredibly powerful poem, from a very accomplished author! I congratulate you on your elite status, and I praise all the work you have done. I've only read a few of your poems, but have not found one that I do not like yet. Your poem here has an amazing message, the contents of which have been running through my own head. I would like to say that I agree with your point of view, not in that he is crucified every day, but in that with all the sins I (or you) commit daily, are the reasons he died, and we too are the reasons he died, not solely because of the sin before his death. Beautiful poem. Beautiful message. Beautiful.

*shwa
| Posted on 2007-01-07 00:00:00 | by FaintShadow37 | [ Reply to This ]
  interesting choice to write on. Nietzsche...only but an example of a fool who dares defy Christ and his glory. However, I must argue your view.

"But we have shackled his greatness
And blinded our hearts to his love
Therefore we do crucify him daily…"

I must say, it was interesting to read it and try and look at it from that point of view. But how can we shackle His greatness ? Alpha and Omega, Beginning and End, how can we shackle such a power ? And we do not crucify Him every day, He died once, " It is finished"

He provided grace, not so that He must die again, but that we are covered in His blood. He had to die to atone for us, sort of like the sacrificing the Jews did while in the desert. Now He does not offer to die again, but He offers mercy and forgiveness. If you just read the Bible over, it's plain to see He died once and never shall again.

But....but however much I disagreed, your poem was interesting and thought provoking. Good job, I will not praise the concept, but I will congratulate you on a great work of writing.
| Posted on 2006-12-30 00:00:00 | by djtswing | [ Reply to This ]
  powerful!!!
"Yet he chose to die for sin
Therefore do I crucify him daily?"
| Posted on 2006-12-10 00:00:00 | by Manee69 | [ Reply to This ]
  The God that man has made up, exploited, and prostituted for money, control, and a sense of self worth is truly dead! But you are right. God the true FORCE not male or female in form since males were the dominating force when myths were documented, is not dead. God can never die because God is everything. At least that is what I believe and I won't waste anyone's time with my beliefs all I will say in conclusion is that I am keeping this one. Thank you for the thought inspiring work!

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HAIL!
| Posted on 2006-11-15 00:00:00 | by fryte | [ Reply to This ]
  This is a great piece. I really like how it cries out. I think that art and creativity are perhaps in the essence of God, and therefore it is in this art that he can best be seen. Whether that be his creations or the creations of man. Creation in and of itself is of God. And we being such "small minded creatures", cannot wrap our minds around god, and since he does not fit in our minds, he is dead to us. We have to accept that he is bigger than us and more beautiful than us.
| Posted on 2006-09-18 00:00:00 | by --breathe-- | [ Reply to This ]
  Hi Epiphany;

How are you?! I hope you are fine...

Yes, it has been ages since I last came here ad since you last came to my page!! But that's only because I don't sign in a lot like before!! In fact I rarely sign nowadays!!

Anyway, thanks for the detailed comment on "Letter of Tears", I really appreciate it.

And about the "Shes", I believe that it's the best choice -in my humble point of view of course", and about "Writing & ended" I sometimes neglect grammar if I felt it will add value or sound better to me!! And I can't see why "I gave you my heart but you were heartless, I gae you my soul but you couldn't care less" is Cliche'!!

And about the ending and that you expected more; I believe it's the perfect finale!! In fact I can't even imagine a better one!!

"And now after I've said it all
All that I've been holding all those years

I'll leave you
With this letter of tears!!"

I really am wondering how could it be something more after that!!

Anyway;

About this poem that I've chosen to comment on as it's name reminded me of Nietzsche's book & because it was your featured!!

To me I find the words "God is Dead" are offending!! I'm Moslem and I it's offending to say God is dead!! Because if he did die, then who killed him??!! Some immortal like us!! I know the metaphor he is using but the words are just RUDE, at least to me!!

God can't be dead and we can NOT crucify him!! I've read some things to Nietzsche before, he was only recognized after his death, which is ironic!!

He once said;

"There are no facts, only interpretations."

And of course that's nonesense!! There are tons of facts!! The sun rises from the east and ends in the west, there is only one God and he can NOT be killed or crucified, and also that we all are going to die one day!! These are all facts and not interpretations!!

Anyway, thanks for the comment.

Yousef Hani
| Posted on 2006-08-04 00:00:00 | by Yousef | [ Reply to This ]
  To play Nietzsche's advocate, I think he would
not like your misuse of his statement. He would say that God never lived at all except within the imagination of mankind, and that even then, his presence was a lie. And that now, in the light of reason we know this lie. We can see clearly that there is no plan, no justice, no mercy except what man makes for himself. And to lean on the superstitions of barbaric cultures is to weaken mankind--especially in indulging the idea of Christ who puts to death the self and moves man away from his greatness as a wolf.

But he was full of [censored].

I agree with your poem, but I'd rethink the title.
| Posted on 2006-06-29 00:00:00 | by Keats | [ Reply to This ]
  i really liked the idea of God being dead and alive and crucifying him by every day that we live. you've hit on one of the great paradoxes.
i didn't really like the last line
it seemed less poetry-ee or poetic.
and it seemed to put a dead stop to the poem when it was flowing so well.
great read though.

i'm new here and i would love to get your thoughts on some of my stuff.

mk
| Posted on 2006-07-13 00:00:00 | by mk666 | [ Reply to This ]
  Its true that people have turned their heads away from God. Some only remember His existence when they are in trouble. Its amazing that we keep on making plans for the future and we don't include God in our plans. The truth is I might be dreaming of flying an aeroplane one day, but if I don't say, 'if God so wishes', Its just an empty wish. Its true we have shackled his greatness and blinded our hearts to his love. I'm happy that most people hear the truth. Your writing kept me thinking.
Keep it up!
| Posted on 2006-04-01 00:00:00 | by Sannita | [ Reply to This ]
  Many thanks to James for refering me to this poem. I have to admit, this title did throw me off, but I was pleasantly surprised.
The topic of this is so true - we are killing God, even the most devout Christian. It boggles the mind as to why we allow it to happen, but it's part of our nature, I guess. It's hard to rely on something unseen, but "Blessed is he who has not seen, and yet believes." Wonderful write.

With love,
Jacob
| Posted on 2006-07-15 00:00:00 | by Jacob Seibert | [ Reply to This ]
  I love the way that the poem contradicts itself to make one greater point. When I read the title of the poem I did not know what to think and I thought that I was going to have to have a few choice words with you lol, But it is a great poem and a great read.

much LOVE
JAmes
| Posted on 2006-07-15 00:00:00 | by James Reyna | [ Reply to This ]
  I guess one more comment wouldn't hurt this peice. I myself am sometimes guity of thuinking that god does not exist. I have, however, been proven wrong on several occasions. After the death of loved ones, I abandon the idea that an loving god would let something like that happen, but then, I gain new loved ones, and the idea of a God becomes ever more ideal to me. Who knows...
Wishing for more
~Brian
| Posted on 2006-07-15 00:00:00 | by Imadjinn | [ Reply to This ]
  Beautiful, utterly beautiful (and so true.) This is the kind of expression I can really appreciate for it's honesty and conviction. All that read this should take note of its words, they are not far-fetched in the slightest sense.
| Posted on 2005-12-15 00:00:00 | by psychoneurosis | [ Reply to This ]
  i like this poem. it gives questions and supplys the answers. my favorite part was "therefore do i crucify him daily?" i never thought of that before. well done

- kase
| Posted on 2005-12-07 00:00:00 | by kase | [ Reply to This ]
  What can I say that hasn't already been said positively about this poem? Nothing. I am making this a favorite of mine because the topic is a favorite of mine and because this poem minister unto my spirit . Be Blessed, Cheryl.
| Posted on 2005-07-20 00:00:00 | by ladyngold | [ Reply to This ]
  yeahy , Hi...I had to check this out I couldn't believe the amount of comments you had ,,really cool. I don't know how someone-or should I say why someone had to challenge you to bring this out in you but eh anyway ther isnt much I can really say but ...I know this 1) nobody knows for sure ...anything on thois subject...you can specul;ate till you are blue in the face and it won't change thefact that we don't know. 2) God didn't die for us Jesus did...if you want to get technicalo so yeah thats my two bits and thanks for your comment as well on my stuf
lamemansterms
| Posted on 2005-07-10 00:00:00 | by LameMansTerms | [ Reply to This ]
  You know Religion is a very touchy subject to roam around, most likely you have offended many religious peopel who think that your idea is an insult to their belief...but you are right, offended they may be, it's b/c they are in denial of their hyprocrisy ideals. Whether he is dead or not, it's up to our own faith. And do we crucify him, probably we do- with the sins we have committed and then half of us look towards him "The Forgiver" and pain him with our pathetic beggary in hopes through this he will redeem us, though we turn back around and do it all over again. IN the end, what we do, it's a repetitious sin and each time we crucify our God, thinking of not him, which should be our primary focus of our faith, but of ourselves and how we know that in the end our conscious feels innocent...That's not how religion works, for that we have crucified our God.
Sorry for the rambling, I find that this poem, any kind of poem that involves ideals of religion allows room for rambling and nonsense-like mine.
This is another great one
-stacey-
| Posted on 2005-08-02 00:00:00 | by idlewriter | [ Reply to This ]
  This is great! I was unsure by the title, which is why i checked it out. I believe 100% what you wrote. I hope that this had cause many people to think, and convicted many people as well. Awesome job!
| Posted on 2005-07-08 00:00:00 | by AngelOutlaw | [ Reply to This ]
  My comments will pale in comparrison to the ones I have read, I enjoyed the poem for its conviction. Though my personal thoughts were of the division of church into the multitude of churches of "God". The poem compelled me to think more about what do I expect from God. Everyone is so quick to think about what God may or may not bless us with, yet fail to think what God gave us from the very beginning. Choice. The freedom to choose our level of dedication to him. The freedom to prove how imperfect we are. Finally, the freedom to come to him and admit these things and give ourselves to his Light and Grace. He is measured and defined by imperfect mortals through mortal interpretations of his Word. When I can go to one church one week and go to a differerent one the next, and have both of them tell me that they are presenting the correct interpretation of his Word. Church has proven the imperfection. God has asked us to have a relationship with him. Let him guide us and help us to understand him. I like the title and expression of God is Dead through the poem, because God is only Dead to us if we turn our backs on him. This poem made me think about the choices I personally make in my life, and how often I turned my back on him.
| Posted on 2005-07-06 00:00:00 | by Traveller | [ Reply to This ]
  Good poem. I like the way you brought up "Crucify him daily." Since you repeat this idea around 3 times in the poem, it would be alot "neater," if you were able to think of two other points that could replace those lines.
| Posted on 2005-07-05 00:00:00 | by MrBear | [ Reply to This ]
  This is a wonderfully insightful poem. I would love to talk more about it with you, just to get your ideas and opinions. I have so much to say about it, but not the time to begin to type it now, but I sincerely would love to discuss this more. Great job, you have spoken thoughts of my mind. Stay strong

Take care,
-Tom
| Posted on 2005-07-03 00:00:00 | by UnspokenDreamer | [ Reply to This ]
  Wow, rlly nicely done. I'm a Sunday school teacher so its neat have something taught 2 me about religion 4 a change. Very beautiful and I rlly enjoyed it. It was like u surfaced a prblm every1 seemed 2 manage 2 cover up. Very nice.
| Posted on 2005-06-30 00:00:00 | by Aprie Chick | [ Reply to This ]
  Wow what can I say. That was such a twist and breath taking write. It describes how we think god is dead in us but he is alive we just do not realize it. It is such an eye opener this id definitly one of my faves and from reading some other works of arts I must say you are a very very good writer someone people like myself can learn from.
| Posted on 2005-06-26 00:00:00 | by winterdove | [ Reply to This ]
  Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Hebrews 6:4-6 (the Holy Bible, KJV)

No, we haven't killed God, but we certainly don't see Him the way He really is. It is truly sad the way those who call themselves His people are so often the ones whose actions cause others to reject Him. It has been well said, "The greatest argument for Christianity is Christians. The greatest argument against Christianity is Christians."

Also...a little clarification about Nietzsche:

He was the son and grandson of Lutheran ministers. His father died of a brain injury when Nietzche was five. He went off to study Theology, but left that to study the classics.

Truly, "God is dead" has been taken out of context numerous times, but he meant what he said.

Nietzsche thought of himself as the destroyer of all philosophical systems, especially Christianity. He himself described Jesus Christ as an "idiot." He was not the first atheistic thinker, but he was the first to take it to its ful conclusion. If God is dead, then there can be no moral standard. The root of everything that happens is the will to power, as opposed to the Christian view of God at the center of everything, or that of humanism where man is the center of everything. The only reason anyone does anything is to gain power over another, or to bring out someone else's weaknesses in order to mask our own.

Nietzsche's ultimate ideal was the ubermensch, or superman, who would display all of the ideal values of man (as defined by Nietzsche, of course), generosity and self-discipline.

Somehow that all seems to miss the point. The central message of the Bible is not the judgments of God (which were always because of disobedience) but the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. This poem helps bring the focus back where it belongs.
| Posted on 2005-05-27 00:00:00 | by sphen | [ Reply to This ]
  that was kinda beatin around the bush there its a subject that is kinda touch its a nice write acually its a great write but that is a little harash even though i can feel where ur coming from im a church goin person i feel that god is not dead but every has to have an opoin to be a man/women in there own right but i enjoyed and and it was an execlent write.

heavy knowledge
| Posted on 2005-08-10 00:00:00 | by heavy knowledge | [ Reply to This ]
  Oh wow.
This is a great piece, very cleverly written, very thought provoking and very true, especially in light of recent world events..I am glad I read this..'crucify him daily'...indeed I agree...

These lines are effective, and none seem out of place..

my favourite stanza:
That we have institutionalised God
Confining him
To our small minded realm
Of time and space…
I like how God is portrayed almost like a helpless victim here... it really touches on the selfishness of our human race..

Judging by the incredible amount of comments, it seems God is still a topic that confuses, amazes and interests us, and you touched on that quote by Nietzsche very well...

Thanks for sharing this thoughtful read,
Peace out.
| Posted on 2005-05-12 00:00:00 | by pennyroyal tea | [ Reply to This ]
  "God is dead" is a powerful poem. I must begin with the caveat that i'm a non-believer. That being said, if one starts out with the premise that Christians' God does indeed exist then your poem is a splendid challenge to Nietzsche's belief that "God is dead/And we have killed him." I like that paradox in "God is not dead/Yet he chose to die for sin/Therefore do I crucify him daily?" He/God/Jesus chose to die, but Him, being not just anyone, was resurrected. So we are committing a double sin: we are not just killing/crucifying him repeatedly, but negating His dying for our sins since we leave ourselves blind to the exculpation He bestowed upon us, embodied in His Son. I hope i'm not rambling to far off the beaten track. :) Btw perhaps it could be "Yet [H]e chose to die for [our] sin". Furthermore, it's our understanding of God that has killed Him for us, in a sense when we try to understand Him in our terms through His institutionalization in religion. Great discourse you have here. I have an instinctive urge to quibble, but nothing comes within reach of my caviling powers. lol. Great piece. :) Peace
Raz
| Posted on 2005-05-07 00:00:00 | by razmohin2 | [ Reply to This ]
  Holy cow, batman! This list of comments reads like a whose who list of ES!

Actually, I remember reading this awhile ago and I thought for sure I had commented, but now looking . . . I don't see my name on your wish list. An oversight? I dunno. Musta been one of those days I was busy and got called away or who knows . . .

I really don't know what I can offer up in the wake of all these great comments by my esteemed peers. Maybe point out that Nietzsche AND John Lennon said it . . . did anyone point that out? I dunno . . . I agree with some, with others . . . uhhh, sheesh. You know?

I thought this was pretty good. It could use a little polishing, as some have suggested, and yes, yes, it IS a theme that has graced the pages of poetry many many times, but your take on it is unique . . . in that you contradict your title with your last several lines <after that bold opening statement!>.

Nice.
| Posted on 2005-05-06 00:00:00 | by Vancrown | [ Reply to This ]
  in times of mine own disillusionment i am glad to have come across what you wrote... i cannot at times stand religion because it tells me that people are different when we are really the same... i dont need to subscribe to any faith that can seem so petty and i feel a certain sorrow for people who do... but somehow i do believe in something that is better than all this...something i can call faith.
thanks...
loved the write.
| Posted on 2005-04-22 00:00:00 | by k kin | [ Reply to This ]
  To tell you the truth I have read this peice over and over for a few months now.
But I refused to comment on it because I am not sure as to what I want to say...but I will give it a shot.

I think I have learned that as humans we have destroyed the very message of God.
What
where
why
he stands for.
And over time we have molded this being into our own image something to suit us..and that is a shame.
We are small minded and I think we can't really grasp the idea of God or Christ for that matter.
You have made me question the very things that I forbid myself to question...thank you.

Is God dead? Maybe or at least what God intended to be.

And you say your not any good at this religious writting.

~shawn
| Posted on 2005-06-06 00:00:00 | by armand | [ Reply to This ]
  I think this is incredibly written. First emotion was dread that this poem was a HATE poem but then it goes on and I get treated to fruitful insights like "That we have institutionalised God" and "Therefore we do crucify him daily…" Fabulous poetry. `always appreciating, Cheryl
| Posted on 2005-04-04 00:00:00 | by ladyngold | [ Reply to This ]
  Beautiful, utterly beautiful (and so true.) This is the kind of expression I can really appreciate for it's honesty and conviction. All that read this should take note of its words, they are not far-fetched in the slightest sense. It's going in my favorites...
| Posted on 2005-01-26 00:00:00 | by gavinspikenard | [ Reply to This ]
  I don't believe in that god but I still liked the poem. I think it could apply for many different religions because you made it broad. I liked it. You wrote it well.
Blessed Be!
| Posted on 2005-01-20 00:00:00 | by Sarah Leger | [ Reply to This ]
  it's become more about the buildings than the faith. i think that Nietzsche's statement remains true, for me. i'll put that aside and just say, i liked this. i may not agree, but it was is a powerful piece.
| Posted on 2005-01-20 00:00:00 | by wilderness | [ Reply to This ]
  wow..another great, thoughtful and thought-provoking piece! This one really got me thinking..and that means it was a good poem. The meaning just jumps out so that the reader is not confused or feels left out. I caught every line and it hit straight to home! Nice writing!

As to subject content specifically, I enjoyed the heart behing the poem. And I think that your assessment was very accurate. God is not dead! But He died for our sins! Wow...that was such a powerful way to put it...I really enjoyed this!

Anyway, good stuff going...(not like I needed to tell ya that! hehe...you've already got 25 comments on this one! lol)...
You have a gift:
Have a great day!
=Shawnothan
| Posted on 2005-01-14 00:00:00 | by Shawnothan | [ Reply to This ]
  ...to a great poem. I think this poem must be a bit of a watershed for you? Well, I think it rocks! You'd probably do better listening to Dave's (Sandburg) comment below, he knows his stuff and I always find myself agreeing with him. Really good one this.
| Posted on 2004-12-28 00:00:00 | by Lelik | [ Reply to This ]
  Girl you know you better preach it!
This is the truth and I respect and love you
for sharing this.
bless you for such beauty...i'm speechless!

wynne
| Posted on 2004-12-26 00:00:00 | by Wynne Devereaux | [ Reply to This ]
  i've read this poem a thousand times now-offline-ofcourse but believe me i've actually wept a hundred times-more than that after reading this beautiful piece-yes-i am not sure if all has been said in your praise or not in previous comments but i just dont have words to express my feelings-this poem shakes me-gives me a chill-jolts my heart-makes me feel gud-bad-happy -sad-i have got no words to explain-just saying that this poem is BRILLIANT would be an understatement.
but this is the best i've read so far
merry x-mas
blessings
loads of love
enjoy
stay happy
cheers
| Posted on 2004-12-25 00:00:00 | by poetofaustralia | [ Reply to This ]
  jayee, Hello, Been a while. I miss you. Sorry I haven't written anything of substance lately, but I am glad that you have. I think that this poem reflects your totally positive outlook on life. It is refreshing to see that some people out there still believe in things. Even if I don't fully agree with the message, (which I may or may not) I really appreciate your personal in depth view of looking at everything. I think that although this particular piece is not one of my favorites of yours, you have again found an interesting way of framing a very deep thought. Take care.
| Posted on 2004-12-21 00:00:00 | by solararia | [ Reply to This ]
  Well, i'm glad i read this. I mean you said you wish you wrote mine. I appreciate the meaning this has. IT's like how i feel, or why i chose to "find" my god, err God. I mean i don't want to just jump on the band wagon even if i find what everyone see's around me (christianity) i would still rather take that journey, and this describes exactly why. I mean i don't want to follow the faith of the faithless(get what i mean?) I would rather find then follow. And thank you for this, very beautiful, and very true.
| Posted on 2004-12-21 00:00:00 | by Skillessbasterd | [ Reply to This ]
  Gosh, I don't believe I can match these superior comments, with all the scriptures and huge observations. I really loved this one, it was just so beautiful, you showed God's love in a small poem, compressing the whole bible, It's amazing, but God is such an inspiration, to describe him the possibilites are limitless! I love this one, it was different and intriguing!(sp?!)
I'll have to read some of you other ones, Gosh you have a lot! lol

**I.N.D.E.L.I.B.L.E._I.N.K**
| Posted on 2005-06-21 00:00:00 | by Indelible_ink | [ Reply to This ]
  Wow, This is a good piece. It is very questioning of the self and Gods death till the end. Most people don't think about crusifying him daily so I like the fact that you put that in. all-in-all I think its awsome. keep writing.
| Posted on 2004-12-18 00:00:00 | by S.A.M. | [ Reply to This ]
  wow, wow, wow, i really don't know what to say...i just know that i need to add it to my favorites immediately! this was just simply tasteful and marvelous...so true and so sad.
| Posted on 2004-12-18 00:00:00 | by Tinasha | [ Reply to This ]
  God, is real does not matter how you feel. Relationships of any sort involve times of closeness and distance, its generally when it is at the distance end that people have the most problems with God. Life is a test of our faith in all things, relationships and God, learning to love and trust no matter what is a hard lesson in both.
Well, so much for my rants..lol..you provoked thoughts and guess I just ranted em out. This is a great work, very nicely done.
Alan
| Posted on 2004-12-16 00:00:00 | by MidnghtScorpion | [ Reply to This ]
  To me god is dead in Church. Your so right about it being institutionalized. I have him chained on my bed room wall, in the back of my head, in dark alleyways and forgotten caves.
Though is it God or I that is confined, that is crucified? Do I stab at myself when I spit at him with sin? Do I ease his pain when I am selfless? Though there be the ultimate question, maybe we didnt kill god, maybe he never existed. I say cast down the church and what they say you must do to prove your faith. Your choosen religious practice is not of any importance, what is, is to have faith! Gods not dead, but Nietchze sure as hell is, and when he was still breathing god was dead to him probably because he had no faith.yeah Im ranting, but thank you for get the hampster wheel in my mind turning! great work!-John
| Posted on 2004-12-15 00:00:00 | by Mithrandir | [ Reply to This ]
  i totally agree. capturing god while condemning him to a life of torture while his legs are tied to the weight of our sins... a powerful unsung fact. we are often blinded from seeing this as we go along and worship our own concept of god... the one that feels it's alright with abortions, the one who helps us pay our bills, the one who descriminates homosexuals, the one holding a black and white bible, the best publicist in the whole world. (rant alert)

yeah... well. good job. a moving piece.
| Posted on 2004-12-14 00:00:00 | by ANGELO | [ Reply to This ]
  very deep and thought provoking. i really like and agree with the part about how society has sort of instituitionalized or even commercialized both god and religion to rituals or ways you're "supposed to be/think/act" instead of like the teachings. way to go.
| Posted on 2004-12-13 00:00:00 | by joe quinn | [ Reply to This ]
  You expressed yourself well. I've known this to be your core since you first started to comment on my work. I'd like to see you work more into this. It seems like you do two laps on the same track instead of covering some new ground. How about how God is great but man is busy trying to make himself even greater, and how foolish that is?
How about how man keeps trying to invent a cheap substitute for what is available for free?
I hope to see you take this piece as a jumping off point and either expand it or make a series out of it,
but I like what you've started,
Dave
| Posted on 2004-12-13 00:00:00 | by Sandburg | [ Reply to This ]
  Well this is excellent. I like how you went against Nietzsche. I've always felt like he was a grade-A nutjob. Hitler liked him, for goodness' sake. I like all of the alternatives you listed in lieu of him being dead.
| Posted on 2004-12-12 00:00:00 | by cuddledumplin | [ Reply to This ]
  Wow!
This is a really powerful poem, and I like what you have to say.
I also think it's neat that others on here know who Neitzsche is, I am reading his book. It's called "The Philosophy of Neitzsche".

Again, a really good poem - I give it 2 thumbs up!
-P1
| Posted on 2004-12-12 00:00:00 | by psycho_1 | [ Reply to This ]
  First let me say, God has read this and has smiled and that rush you felt after you wrote was his smile.
This was not only a ? it was the answer as well:

Therefore do I crucify him daily? not to mention a very powerful line, though simply stated,which makes even more great.
as you already know Nietzsche had many minds, some he could control and some he couldn't, which gave all of us a glimpse outside the box.

I am proud to have read this poem,ty for sharing you love for him and in a way witnessing without trying.
| Posted on 2004-12-12 00:00:00 | by edthepoet | [ Reply to This ]
  amen i say to you! let God out of the box! part of the problem, i think, with today's society is that people do claim that God is dead. they try to take him out of schools, out of everything. pretty soon they will try to take Him off our money! we're going to Hell in a handbasket here... your last line is primo!
| Posted on 2004-12-12 00:00:00 | by magnicat | [ Reply to This ]
  extremely well done. i like the idea and the feeling of contemplation in this one.

"Therefore do I crucify him daily?" that line was pretty cool, and I loved the way you repeated it at the end.
| Posted on 2004-12-12 00:00:00 | by XxMusikJunkiexX | [ Reply to This ]
  i am honoured to be the first to comment on this one. at first when i read the title i was thinking, what the hell is wrong with Jay...then i read on and i understood.

How i wish this poem could be read to the millions of stunted christians out there, all of them who think they can either keep him alive on their chests or with their emoty prayers or those dead visits to church or all those ceremonies, never knowing who He is, only know about who He is.

there is a verse in i think... yes here it is

2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

yep the last one is what i wanted the most. and i think this is what you have written about
GOO GIRL! i told you cd write about God, and yo doing it more often than I am these days(i shd be gettin styled up)

this was a good write love, love it!
| Posted on 2004-12-12 00:00:00 | by nevender | [ Reply to This ]
  Yeah, I like this one, Kinda reminds me of my intangible gift, except totally different. This is kind of fun the way it's written is like listening with a superchared stethascope and hearing thoughts swim through the corpus closum as the right and left brain meet and try to rationalize irrational subject matter. I am just nitpicking, but even ascribing God a gender is a bit ridiculous. Overall I like the way this played out answering your own question and thoughts on paper arguing with yourself on paper, that takes skill. Okay thanks peace
| Posted on 2005-01-04 00:00:00 | by shaman | [ Reply to This ]
  sadly...we have institutionalized god. just think of all the pictures of jesus as white with brown hair, looking all peacible. Jesus was the leader of a sort of counter-culture in society (though counter-culture has a different connotation than christianity). it's like an underground band that goes mainstream and becomes so big it can no longer move, loses it's drive, it's meaning, its purpose, becomes warped and twisted...it's like brittney spears wearing a che shirt and saying "i just think we should trust our president in everything he does." The church no longer houses god- it confines him, dulls him with sedatives.
| Posted on 2005-01-07 00:00:00 | by lukewarm | [ Reply to This ]
  .. hello there ..

I noticed that quite a few people have commented on this poem.. I guess everyone has something to say about God.
I've written my God is dead poem myself , in reflection of Nietzches words, and I was pleased to see that that was what this poem also was.

What most people don't realise, which you pointed out nicely here, is the contradiction that the expression holds .. to proclaim that something that per definition cannot die is dead and that the Ugliest man killed him.

The fact that the donkey still is the head of or bearded old man that we place in the sky is evidence of what you say ; that our institutions of religions is only a regressed pale lump of itself that forgot why it reared its head out of a slave pit and stood up in the first place.

The fact that the Ass enver died, but the higher men lost sight of him and got all eager, and grew hair on their palms as they thought their feet had grown bridges.

The fact that someone can be part of the bleeting mob and still read and enjoy such direct words as these, is evidence that the goat is not dead, the ass is not dead
but he is still running around proclaiming to be god ..With blinders on, he shares some blueprint copies of his very own blinders , so we can all be truly blind to the true idea of a God. .. One that can read analogies and see with open third eyes that the idea ; God is dead, and we killed him' is only possible, as long as we keep calling that donkey ass our God ..

anyways .. what i meant to say , in short , is that i really enjoyed the poem.. nice take on Zarathustra. might have to post my god is dead poem soon ..

gnome-ishen greetings,
Christian
| Posted on 2005-08-25 00:00:00 | by x-ianhoyskolt | [ Reply to This ]
  I have read a few of your works now and I want to compliment you on being so creatively different with each one. They all are solid pieces yet all flow and move in different directions with regard to content, style and structure as well. Nicely done.

On another note your opinion's expressed in this poem were very radical I think by christian standards and should be commended. It is almost like a man struggeling with his innerself, fighting change even if it might be for the better.

Another note still:

realisation = realization

Hope this input helps you.
Peace,
Mister fizzle
| Posted on 2004-12-30 00:00:00 | by Mister Fizzle | [ Reply to This ]
  P.S. I'm kicking myself for not noticing this work before especially with it's title.
| Posted on 2006-11-15 00:00:00 | by fryte | [ Reply to This ]
  Ok, and now for the non-christian feedback on this piece ;)

Firstly, I think that your words are absolute truth - when reading this poem, I felt less like I was reading 'poetry' and more like I was reading a deductive argument. It *isn't* a deductive argument, but the style of the phrases, and the way one thing builds on another, (and the word 'therefore' more than once, and used at the end, as if in conclusion ) just took me back to writing logic proofs - page after page of if, then, therefore, a page scattered with symbols, the waitress coming to refill my coffee and saying, my, what is that? And I say, "Predicate logic." Anyway. THAT, strangely enough, is what this made me think of ....I am a non-christian child of two devout christian parents, dragged kicking and screaming through the church door every sunday until I ran screaming out of their house when I was 15 - and all the while, the prayers, the creeds, the candles and words, the first reading the second reading the gospel - as a child, I followed their spiritual path as a passenger but never really grasped what they did, and I think that you explain to me why that is.

You ever read Dune? 'I'm a mentat, I trust logic and statistics not mysticism and prophecy' well, that's me - child math & music prodigy (these things were encouraged ) and church just never really fit in. Why should that be, though? And yet you make it clear - that organized religion *does* 'kill' god, in a sense. The denominations, the scattering, the search for truth obscured by rules and regulations - not of god, but of man.

God is seen like the co-pilot, you let him take control of the plane once you're already crashing it - church must not interfere with your daily life, your 9 to 5, your golf game. I think that if I was religious, I would be downright outraged at what institutionalization has done to faith - the rampant hypocrisy of the clergy, of the well dressed young girl who kneels next to you at the altar so reverent, so pious, then 3 hours later is standing on a street corner wearing latex, a stream of profanity spewing from her lips. I just don't dig the double life, so I stay away.

But, you said it.

No… God is not dead
And we have not killed him
But we have shackled his greatness
And blinded our hearts to his love
Therefore we do crucify him daily…

Of course God isn't dead. How could god be dead? If you're a believer in God's omnipotence, how could he die? So the answer *must* be (the answer must logically follow that ) God isn't dead, but he's been shoved into a mold ( and a different one by just about every culture or separation ) - defined by human terms, interpreted by human minds, who cannot fully encompass the wholeness of 'God', the supreme being. So, stuck in this limited perception and understanding, it is little wonder that people cease to believe. Could I believe in the God that man has created? Absolutely not. Believe the holy words written in His name by man's hands? Less likely.

Ok last thing : (I know, I'm ranting)

Your use of the word 'crucify' twice makes me think that this is definitely referring to the 'Christian' god as man portrays him, but what if we just made this even more general, the entire concept of the divine, stifled by man's limited cognitive ability - then it affects me more somehow - because it is like all the powers of the universe, nameless - and how the human brain can't hope to grasp it. We often talk of people 'playing' god in things like biotechnology, astrophysics, etc. the advancements that science has made, how we tamper with the fabric of the universe and we really have no idea what we're doing . We can't. I think that even though this is simple, and makes a clear statement about God from the clear viewpoint of a particular religion, that the message is a warning to man not to judge things that he cannot understand - and to acknowledge his incapability to understand.

And then we go back to Predicate Logic. Rather than being a poem as I think of one, it is a statement, written like a proof yet it doesn't follow like one, in the style of many old philosophers,

Because of A and B, C.
Because of C, A and B.

Because man cannot understand God, and his perception is limited by his own biological shortcomings, God has been institutionalized -

and because God has been instituionalized, Man cannot understand the (true) nature of God, and will continue to use limited perception based on his own biological shortcomings.

Full Circle.

Maybe I shouldn't have gotten this much out of it, I don't know ^ I just thought it was a brilliant way of putting things, and it helped me to understand my own self, my distrust of the system , of the above quasi-syllogism, et cetera.
| Posted on 2006-07-17 00:00:00 | by ziska | [ Reply to This ]

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