This site will self destruct in 2 months, March 17.
It will come back, and be familiar and at the same time completely different.
All content will be deleted. Backup anything important.
--- Staff
Roleplay Cloud -

Sign up to EliteSkills

Already have an account? Login to Roleplay.Cloud
Forgot password? Recover Password

the art of pudding

Author: deadndreaming
Elite Ratio:    6.74 - 1360 /1263 /83
Words: 103
Class/Type: Poetry /Misc
Total Views: 2341
Average Vote:    No vote yet.
Bytes: 672


the art of pudding

But if art does indeed have rules too
what is it but a procedure,
an exercise of fabrication
a destination with disregard
for the trek that is the truth of lie-f
(the proof of lie-f)

Fill in the blanks, connect the dots
word search, crossword puzzle
muzzle me, I’d as soon be lost
in a maze of crazed unfettered letters
void of meaning but free of guilt
(guilty only of creation without deference)

My proof is in the proverbial pudding
grab a spoon (or choose another flavor)
savor the acidic taste of integrity:
this recipe was not read off the box

Submitted on 2005-03-02 13:59:55     Terms of Service / Copyright Rules
Edit post

Rate This Submission

1: >_<
2: I dunno...
3: meh!
4: Pretty cool
5: Wow!


  I agree with Memphis. This poem sure does have a catchy title. I could help but read it. :D I think that this is a very good write. It keeps the reader wondering how one line is going to tie into the next. I don't really know much else to say, except I really love this.
| Posted on 2006-03-24 00:00:00 | by RedRoseofBlood | [ Reply to This ]
  ...Huh? I like it, it's a valid opinion to have, but what? I have to read it a few more times...maybe then I'll really get it. I just...I like it. I like your point to be made about formulas and whatnot. It's a good thing to be said, and I wish I could elaborate like the people before me have. Sorry, but I liked it!
| Posted on 2005-07-28 00:00:00 | by Celeste J. Bell | [ Reply to This ]
  Poems are not created by recipe, or by pouring content into a currently acceptable mold. Shape and content interact, in the final product and throughout the creation process, so that the poems will be continually asking what you are writing and why. The answers you give yourself will be illustrating your conceptions of poetry. Once again, those conception will develop, eventually to include experiences more viscerally part of you, since poems are not a painless juggling with words.

And so too, with these comments. Findings cannot be applied as recipes, only as guides to self-cultivation, and hopefully, that spills over onto the other readers as well as the poet himself. This kind of evaluation is not a handing down of judgments, but a slow acquisition of essential writing skills. How else can we distinguish between the good and the bad in our output, and lacking it is of course a sure recipe for mediocrity. Appraisal needs honesty and independent judgment, plus a whole battery of techniques that literary critics have developed over the centuries. There are lots of resources, but few have the time to learn the essential mechanics. Those who know them too well, risk becoming technicians with no soul.

And I think ultimately, that's your message here. There's more to poetry than fancy words and hyperaccurate mechanical structures.

Nice write. Oh, and pass the butterscotch!
| Posted on 2005-06-01 00:00:00 | by Vancrown | [ Reply to This ]
  You know I have come across quite a few rebellious statements against artistic formula.
People throwing their arms up in frustration only to spew some words of internal rhythm. And I have to say that I am a strong believer of children’s scribbling (you see some strange chit in those pictures). I am glad to see that some people are as equally frustrated by, you know, those perfect still lifes (lie-fs): each orange is flawless, like
formatted poetry.
With each word forced to rhyme. Sometimes some people (who mean well, they really do) .. will say “this word doesn’t roll of the tongue proper” but then you think, there is no other word in the English language to describe what the hell I am trying to explain. Do you change the word for better appeal but lose the intent? Or do you say phuck it and leave it?
There’s a price we pay sometimes … when we want to package our art for the sake of public performances.. How can we remain true to ourselves without alienating…? How can we remain true to the readers without alienating ourselves?
(I am rambling incessantly I need to shut up now)-
you package the impossible for what pennyroyal-tea calls “public consumption”. There’s some insane gift in that. Dammitjim. Oh the Irony!
| Posted on 2005-08-15 00:00:00 | by screams | [ Reply to This ]
  "savor the acidic taste of integrity:
this recipe was not read off the box"

a perfect celebration of the meaning behind the three letter word.


how odd that some cannot face the fact that it is limitless. there are no rules or borders... merely causes and effects. there are no frontiers for a blank sheet of paper. kinda like the possibilities behind tabula rasa. and, in full understanding of this piece... or its undertones... there is no such thing as trash.

brilliance is in the eyes of the beholder... beauty is in the eyes of the beholder...


there is more than a million kinda of beholders... quite parallel to the fact that a rock could mean a million things.

"But if art does indeed have rules too
what is it but a procedure,
an exercise of fabrication
a destination with disregard
for the trek that is the truth of lie-f
(the proof of lie-f)"

i couldn't agree more.

i'm not a fan of straight lines.
| Posted on 2005-04-07 00:00:00 | by ANGELO | [ Reply to This ]
  it's alright i suppose. quite clearly not as powerful as all your other ones i've read so far. it's interesting. i guess they can't all be amazing.
| Posted on 2005-04-05 00:00:00 | by Lemmy | [ Reply to This ]
  by the way, I forgot to mention that I love pudding- especially chocolate...I hope to be buried in a giant vat of it when I kick...M.
| Posted on 2005-03-23 00:00:00 | by Magnolia | [ Reply to This ]
  Okay, let me say first that lately I have found myself not wanting to comment, mainly because not only is our work dissected here, but our comments as well. It has been a real learning experience for me and as I am trying to find my voice by being here, I find that some days I have lost it completely. This piece hits on the head how I feel about art and poetry and writing and stamp collecting and knitting, and nose picking...what is art to some is not to others and what is considered a staggering work of beauty to the all-powerful " we own art" kind of people cannot be understood or felt by the " commoners". There are all these boundaries and rules and they drive us apart rather than unite us. This struck a nerve with me. In a good way. I don't know if I got any of this right, but for me it serves a purpose. So I am on the right track. Magnolia
| Posted on 2005-03-23 00:00:00 | by Magnolia | [ Reply to This ]
  It took a few reads, but I get it now :P

I have a very close friend who is an artist, he's living in NY right now making art and doing "art-fag" things... but this is a discussion we have quite a bit. About how, to me, the non-artist and non-art-enthusiast, there are two kinds of art... art that is approachable... that doesn't mean I know what it means, but it means that I can actually guess... then there's elitist crap... that follows all the rules and is precisely a new interpretation of every other graduate degree holding artist's work.

That is what I got out of this, and this is most certainly not "off the box".

The only complaint?

The proof is NOT in the pudding. The axiom is "The proof of the pudding is in the eating." Umm... that's about it.

| Posted on 2005-03-09 00:00:00 | by jer | [ Reply to This ]
  Honey and vinegar flavour, no? I've never read you before I think...strange that. I've browsed here a bit and I like it. All of it. My comment will not do justice at the moment, but I like your style - not much of that going around. Good thing too, it might be contagious, and too much brilliance would be blinding. I'll come round again if I may.
| Posted on 2005-03-09 00:00:00 | by Lelik | [ Reply to This ]
  Hey there. Ha ha...the first thing I thought of when I read the title of this was how badly I would like to have some chocolate pudding. Oh heavenly joy...chocolate pudding.

A adore that metaphor. Pudding. Ha. Who'd have thunk it?!

This piece feels like a heated debate about life and what it's really about. (I think the answer to life might just be pudding at this point...*grins hopelessly*)

I like the wordplay in this. It reminds me of e
Cummings. It also reminds me of the way my boyfriend writes. He has a knack for taking a familiar phrase and giving it a healthy twist that catches you off guard. You'v got the same knack. I'm loving that.

I just can't think of enough to say about this piece in particular because it's just such a thinker. I do have to say that I'm seriously adoring it right now. Especially these lines...

"My proof is in the proverbial pudding
grab a spoon (or choose another flavor)"

Those lines were just so hard hitting and a whole heck of a lote deeper than they seem at first.

Brava to you for a piece very very well written. I'll be bragging about this one a bit. Much love to ya. ;-)
| Posted on 2005-03-14 00:00:00 | by Juliets_dagger | [ Reply to This ]
  How could I possibly stay away from a poem entitled "the art of pudding." This is so clever. What I find to be so interesting here is the way you begin. "But if art does indeed have rules too" It feels like you're in the middle of a heated discussion with someone else, all about life and art and the dynamic roles both play. I love the clever play on "lie-f" What is art if not some grand manifestation of a singular perception of the world? How valid is that perception anyway? But the pudding grounds this. Pudding is real and simple, and so is art. Art simplifies life. Sorry to ramble on and on like this but I really like this one a lot. I can't give you much of a critique, but I can tell you that this is one hell of a thought provoker.
| Posted on 2005-03-02 00:00:00 | by Memphis | [ Reply to This ]
  Damn, this is pretty [censored] good. Just in a sense of concept, i can't say the flavor is my fav. ..... lol... but i got to say i'm a big fan of the pudding (make sense?)

yeah i see what you're saying.

I can't agree with memphis about art simplifying life. I think that art more explains the complexities with in the simplicity of life. That's my view.

Well good write, as far as concept goes.

wasn't feeling the layout or word scheme, but i still enjoyed it over all,

| Posted on 2005-03-02 00:00:00 | by Skillessbasterd | [ Reply to This ]
  it's the second half of a debate - one which had you nodding and stroking your chin throughout the first half.
erudition in the form of a sermon then and autobiography to boot.
I like the quirkiness that is tacked on at the end of each hypothesis and exhortation as if to reinforce the point that's being made.
it works well enough for me.
I find that integrity can sometimes be something of a luxury. well worth saving up for just to see what it tastes like. but it's always cost versus price...
I find.
Nice one.
| Posted on 2005-03-02 00:00:00 | by Awkward | [ Reply to This ]
  this, to me, is a justification of things you have done and things you will do in the future.
and things we have done and things we will do in the future.
this is not a piece for critique because that is the anti-thesis of the message.
i read this as basically a fu-ck you if you dont like what i am doing and the way i am dong it; in a more tactful way.
and i see this.
but i see both points, as you point out.

<let me do what i want and dont question it because it is art, man
take another drag on the joint
i can just see colours and shapes and i am on a role
take another drag of the joint.>

the fine balance between having reason and imagination is the 'integrity' of all art in my opinion, and you pertain to both of these here, with a middle finger as you drive away to say you are going to do what you want to anyway.

and you are not going to explain.

it is what it is.

take care
keeps the mathematician at bay
| Posted on 2005-03-02 00:00:00 | by | [ Reply to This ]
  "But if art does indeed have rules too
what is it but a procedure,
an exercise of fabrication
a destination with disregard
for the trek that is the truth of lie-f
(the proof of lie-f)"

The Art Of Pudding., Fantastic title..I thought it would be like...I don;'t know not this. I wasn'texpecting to love it as much as I do.
the first part made me think of this art teacher I had once that was like, "WE MUST LEARN THE RULES OF ART!" and I was like, "But I just want to slap myself down on the canvas in anyway I see fit..." "NO YOU MUST FOLLOW THESE THIGNS!" then she told me what I had to do...But I didn't listen I just did what I wanted with my assignments..I failed that class.
Anyway I love this poem.
"word search, crossword puzzle
muzzle me, I’d as soon be lost"
| Posted on 2005-03-02 00:00:00 | by Cigarette Smoke | [ Reply to This ]
  "this recipe was not read off the box"
Really enjoyed this! Especially the last line. :) You are a great writer and make me respect the art of writing. The two different meanings really worked well with this. The title is great. ;) I wish this comment was longer but I gotta run. As always I enjoyed it emensely! Great job!
| Posted on 2005-03-02 00:00:00 | by borderlinetears | [ Reply to This ]
  personally, i like my pudding warm, right off the burner... yummmmm!

savor the savory taste of integrity:
this recipe was not read off the box

love these lines most of all. i really hate it when people say things like, "it doesn't rhyme" or "there is no flow." you know, it's my flow, and i rarely rhyme. there are no rules as far as i'm concerned, unless you are specifically trying to write a sonnet or something...

thanks for pudding, Dave!
| Posted on 2005-03-02 00:00:00 | by magnicat | [ Reply to This ]
  Well, you bring up a very philosophical point. I suppose many of the "rules," of poetry and art in general are merely ideas of taste. I mean, I suppose you could deviate for every grammatical and syntactical rule of the English language, and the world wouldn't end. I don't think it would be very good though. However, visual arts are far more "free" than the literary arts. Oddly, this reminds me of logistical proofs from college. Instead of p's and q's, it's pudding and art. Anyway, I like this a lot.
| Posted on 2005-03-03 00:00:00 | by cuddledumplin | [ Reply to This ]
  Definately not off a box thats for sure as we are, definately didnt come from a recipe book. I'd say I'm pretty original and that would make me pudding????hmmmmm yes thats it I am pudding and I fukn love chocolate. BTW This was pretty damn good , I have nothing more, This pudding boy is outta here~L.t
| Posted on 2005-03-03 00:00:00 | by LameMansTerms | [ Reply to This ]
  The Proof is in the Pudding...ahh, I see. You know I've always liked that term. Great that you used it as the basis of your poem. Pudding is a tremendous way of thinking of amorphous blob of yummy...could be anything. You also can't judge it just by must consume.
I liked all your words except maybe "savor the savory" I can't quite find the value in the double use of the word.
This was got lots of comments!
| Posted on 2005-03-03 00:00:00 | by marysunshine | [ Reply to This ]
  I'm like you Dave, I don't want the entire episode carved so closely that I feel there is a choke chain on my neck. No, as I reader, I don't want to be controlled. As writer, I don't wish to be controlling. And you've created a formula "lie-f"- I like it, being mathematically challenged it gives me natural high. I began one poem with this line ..."Don't listen to this, I am a fraud ghosting images in your mind".. But the images are by nature designed to provide theme of the reader's perceptions, what they need, is what they get. Very cool write, thanks for sharing.

| Posted on 2005-03-04 00:00:00 | by nansofast | [ Reply to This ]
  very interesting poem. not sure how to take this: life as a lie, living a lie, etc. although I have expereinced boldfaced lies from people standing right in front of me-and they expect me to fall for their crap without question. and then of course, there's my own lies, which are not usually up for discussion. in any event, I loved the integrity part. and wanted to mention that my love life is really only fantasies of men who are not even aware of it.
| Posted on 2005-03-04 00:00:00 | by sierramuse8 | [ Reply to This ]
  Well perhaps I'm not reading everything that you are putting in here (snicker).

OK, it's like this. The artist wishes to depict, in some fashion, his emotions, feelings or ideas.
In whichever medium he chooses, he makes the pitch. At the other end the patron considers the piece, and interprets. How well the connection is made will determine success.
It isn't unlike the search for a perfect superconductor. There isn't one. But we keep searching to make the connection stronger.
Sometimes an improvement could be made on the part of the artist. Sometimes by the patron.
Would you critique a film made entirely in a language you didn't speak? I hope not. And if not, then perhaps there will be other instances of art that you simply aren't equipped to field.
Just keep moving. There will be other chances.
No need to throw stones, or pudding.
But perhaps jello. There is always room for jello.
| Posted on 2005-03-04 00:00:00 | by Sandburg | [ Reply to This ]
  Well this is just a scrumptious concoction to my taste, an amazing metaphor, and definitely as you say "this recipe was not read off the box" (I loved that line above all, and I think I could write a paragraph on that one line alone)

However, back to the beginning-which is to say I loved the title, it is both a magnet and a template for your thoughts, and you show us how templates should be used, not abused. I understand patterns , templates, model, and recipes well, having been a home economics/art teacher for over 2 decades, and part of that includes outlining the rules, teaching the hows and why of them, in order that students learn how to break them, or bend them to their own needs for creative expression.

While I personally don't enjoy wandering "in a maze of crazed unfettered letters void of meaning", this poem is not such a futile struggle. I think all poets have put meaning into their words, and the lines, strophes, or even entire poems that whizz like arrows over my head, make reading them all that more interesting. So I agree with that, I'd rather read one poem, well written but beyond my grasp intellectually or philosophically, than another generic-but-easy-to-digest low-carb and no trans fat piece that is approved by the FDA. (freaking deadbeats anonymous?)The same goes for most artists and artisans, their work is dynamic ,constantly changing, evolving and they are driven by that passion to express theirr experiences visually and even tactilely, they know the "rules", but are not driven by them.

I love to going to a gallery with young children, -just old enough to talk well, but not yet fettered by anyone's opinions or guidelines to artistic merit. They see soo much more than I, -to them it's all exciting and beautiful, and without being able to read the title, they normally pick up the vibes the artist intended, if "only" on an emotional level. How sad that some adults, versed in the rules, pick apart the subtle philosophical, social , political or other implications of art, or judge according to current aesthetic guidelines, and miss that joy that the child experiences. I digress, this probably isn't exactly what you meant, but you served me this portion, a wonderful dessert of your own creation,-its just that I like to put granola on everything.

Thanks David, This was a treat today!
Perhaps send a copy to Bill Cosby ?
| Posted on 2005-03-06 00:00:00 | by Silverdog | [ Reply to This ]

Think Feedback more than Compliments :: [ Guidelines ]

1. Be honest.
2. Try not to give only compliments.
3. How did it make you feel?
4. Why did it make you feel that way?
5. Which parts?
6. What distracted from the piece?
7. What was unclear?
8. What does it remind you of?
9. How could it be improved?
10. What would you have done differently?
11. What was your interpretation of it?
12. Does it feel original?