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Fire And Ice Analysis
Author: Poetry of Robert Frost Type: Poetry Views: 1236474
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Some say in ice.
From what I've tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.
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anyone see any connection to the theory of dark matter and the expansion or collapse of the current universe as we know it?
| Posted on 2009-11-22 | by a guest
anyone see any connection to the theory of dark matter and the expansion or collapse of the current universe as we know it?
| Posted on 2009-11-22 | by a guest
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A) you Twilight fans/haters are being ridiculous.
B) My take on this poem is the end of the human race. The world (all the people) are going to cause the end of the human existence (or the apocalypse) via their desire for power (or whatever it happens to be) or their hatred.
| Posted on 2009-11-22 | by a guest
A) you Twilight fans/haters are being ridiculous.
B) My take on this poem is the end of the human race. The world (all the people) are going to cause the end of the human existence (or the apocalypse) via their desire for power (or whatever it happens to be) or their hatred.
| Posted on 2009-11-22 | by a guest
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The poem is obviously a humorous and successful way of bringing out the awesome and horrific nature of God's judgement. Desire and hate are singled out as epitomizing human sin. Why would the world perish twice? Does this mean the earth is destroyed by God's wrath twice? Here the poet shows some humor and plays God: "as if" he were in charge, if he had to do all the work of judging, separating the sinners from those who are not, and fulfilling his true task - which is to really destroy the Earth (all is futile) - then he capriciously chooses the cold, frozen way of annihliting life. This is not a profound poem, and if the poet weren't so reknowned, I would have the central committee ban it from the collective memory of humankind. Don't waste your time on someone else's dross.
| Posted on 2009-11-16 | by a guest
The poem is obviously a humorous and successful way of bringing out the awesome and horrific nature of God's judgement. Desire and hate are singled out as epitomizing human sin. Why would the world perish twice? Does this mean the earth is destroyed by God's wrath twice? Here the poet shows some humor and plays God: "as if" he were in charge, if he had to do all the work of judging, separating the sinners from those who are not, and fulfilling his true task - which is to really destroy the Earth (all is futile) - then he capriciously chooses the cold, frozen way of annihliting life. This is not a profound poem, and if the poet weren't so reknowned, I would have the central committee ban it from the collective memory of humankind. Don't waste your time on someone else's dross.
| Posted on 2009-11-16 | by a guest
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the poem end with an understatment.how does it affect the tone of the poem
| Posted on 2009-11-11 | by a guest
the poem end with an understatment.how does it affect the tone of the poem
| Posted on 2009-11-11 | by a guest
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"This poem, as with any poem, can mean several different things to anyone who reads it. This is the good thing about poetry as the writer writes it is one thing to him and as we the public read it, it becomesone thing to us. Therefore, no one's opinion can be wrong. The one thing I would like to say ,however; Frost, the author, was not a man who believed in the Christian God. Frost was an agnostic, so to think that this poem has anything to do with religion is just silly. If you are trying to analyze exactly what the poem was written about, it surely was not of that of heaven and hell. Though one can make out his own interpretation of what the poem says to you, quite literally this poem was written about the extremes of one's emotions in a relationship using figurative language to compare it to Fire and Ice." -Analysis from Michala-
I personally agree with this analysis. But then again, my perception, along with someone else's perception, of this this poem changes periodically depending on the mood I'm in while reading it. And please, though this poem was cited in Meyer's book "Twilight", let us stay focused on the topic of discussion: Frost's poem.
| Posted on 2009-11-08 | by a guest
"This poem, as with any poem, can mean several different things to anyone who reads it. This is the good thing about poetry as the writer writes it is one thing to him and as we the public read it, it becomesone thing to us. Therefore, no one's opinion can be wrong. The one thing I would like to say ,however; Frost, the author, was not a man who believed in the Christian God. Frost was an agnostic, so to think that this poem has anything to do with religion is just silly. If you are trying to analyze exactly what the poem was written about, it surely was not of that of heaven and hell. Though one can make out his own interpretation of what the poem says to you, quite literally this poem was written about the extremes of one's emotions in a relationship using figurative language to compare it to Fire and Ice." -Analysis from Michala-
I personally agree with this analysis. But then again, my perception, along with someone else's perception, of this this poem changes periodically depending on the mood I'm in while reading it. And please, though this poem was cited in Meyer's book "Twilight", let us stay focused on the topic of discussion: Frost's poem.
| Posted on 2009-11-08 | by a guest
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I just came here to figure out what his poem means ,but you guys started to talk aboute twilight I think thats compleetly off topic.but i do love S.Meyers work.i love twilight .TEAM JACOB, OH im 14 just so you guys dont think im weird for saying that
| Posted on 2009-11-05 | by a guest
I just came here to figure out what his poem means ,but you guys started to talk aboute twilight I think thats compleetly off topic.but i do love S.Meyers work.i love twilight .TEAM JACOB, OH im 14 just so you guys dont think im weird for saying that
| Posted on 2009-11-05 | by a guest
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I believe that Robert Frost is talking about emotions in general. He is relating desire with fire and hate with ice which ties to the theories that if the world were to end it would either freeze over or go up in flames. Indicating that ones own world could come to an end if they let their desires take control of their life. Fire is hot and impulsive and uncontrollable and dangerous, implying desire is the same. What people desire is can often be selfish and hurt others. If someone were to act strictly on desire it would be "heat of the moment". Then when he adds hatred he is implying hatred is equally powerful although the complete opposite of fire. If someone were to let their hatred towards someone or something control them the outcome would be the same. While ice is cold, smooth, and equally dangerous, implying hatred is the same way. When someone has hatred towards something they are cold towards it. Robert Frost was a very intelligent man and this poem is a work of art. I applaude him for it and believe it was one of his best.
| Posted on 2009-11-03 | by a guest
I believe that Robert Frost is talking about emotions in general. He is relating desire with fire and hate with ice which ties to the theories that if the world were to end it would either freeze over or go up in flames. Indicating that ones own world could come to an end if they let their desires take control of their life. Fire is hot and impulsive and uncontrollable and dangerous, implying desire is the same. What people desire is can often be selfish and hurt others. If someone were to act strictly on desire it would be "heat of the moment". Then when he adds hatred he is implying hatred is equally powerful although the complete opposite of fire. If someone were to let their hatred towards someone or something control them the outcome would be the same. While ice is cold, smooth, and equally dangerous, implying hatred is the same way. When someone has hatred towards something they are cold towards it. Robert Frost was a very intelligent man and this poem is a work of art. I applaude him for it and believe it was one of his best.
| Posted on 2009-11-03 | by a guest
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WRONG this is not about the Cold War because this poem was written in 1923, much before then.
At first the poem makes you literally think of the end of the world, but figuratively speaking, he is referring to the destruction of a relationship, and the world represents the relationship. Fire symoblizes desire, by usage of the words "desire" and "tasted". Ice symbolizes hate.
The 5th line "but if I had to perish twice" is a paradox because you can't actually die twice, it only serves to present the fact that desire and hate are equally powerful.
The point Frost is making is that two dark emotions we often feel, desire and hate, can serve to destroy a relationship.
| Posted on 2009-10-20 | by a guest
WRONG this is not about the Cold War because this poem was written in 1923, much before then.
At first the poem makes you literally think of the end of the world, but figuratively speaking, he is referring to the destruction of a relationship, and the world represents the relationship. Fire symoblizes desire, by usage of the words "desire" and "tasted". Ice symbolizes hate.
The 5th line "but if I had to perish twice" is a paradox because you can't actually die twice, it only serves to present the fact that desire and hate are equally powerful.
The point Frost is making is that two dark emotions we often feel, desire and hate, can serve to destroy a relationship.
| Posted on 2009-10-20 | by a guest
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Wow, just wanted to make a point that a lot of authors use another poet's work that is related to their stories. Some do it at the beginning of their book or at the beginning of each chapter. People would know that if they read at all.
And yes you can't compare Meyer's work with Frost's. But it doesn't make anyone any less of a writer. Writer's write for their audience. Not every one who appreciates Frost's work may appreciate Meyer's work. Writer's respect each other and each other's work. They would expect the same from their readers.
One last point, don't make catty comments about some one's abilities unless you've accomplished more. There is a reason why some one is successful. These days it's not just about the writing. There's so much more to it. You would also know that if you write. Writer's evolve with culture and their audience. We want our teens to read? Be happy that they are reading, regardless of whether or not it's the likes of writers like Frost. AT LEAST THEY"RE READING!
| Posted on 2009-10-19 | by a guest
Wow, just wanted to make a point that a lot of authors use another poet's work that is related to their stories. Some do it at the beginning of their book or at the beginning of each chapter. People would know that if they read at all.
And yes you can't compare Meyer's work with Frost's. But it doesn't make anyone any less of a writer. Writer's write for their audience. Not every one who appreciates Frost's work may appreciate Meyer's work. Writer's respect each other and each other's work. They would expect the same from their readers.
One last point, don't make catty comments about some one's abilities unless you've accomplished more. There is a reason why some one is successful. These days it's not just about the writing. There's so much more to it. You would also know that if you write. Writer's evolve with culture and their audience. We want our teens to read? Be happy that they are reading, regardless of whether or not it's the likes of writers like Frost. AT LEAST THEY"RE READING!
| Posted on 2009-10-19 | by a guest
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Can we just stop arguing about Robert Frost and Twilight?
If Stephanie Meyer chose to include the poem in her book, she must have thought that it ment someting important in the book.she even gave him credit on the page. the poem stands for a lot, and can be interperated in many ways. If she used it to ilistrate Bella's and Edward's love, let her. If someone uses it to ilistrate the world, let them. i dont think people should be reading the work of robert frost if there just going to hate on him and people who use his work in there storys. I found out about this poem because it was on a tombstone in the cemetery i walk through.i got that the person believed what Frost said, and wanted the world to know he would rathed die quickly that slowly, and with honor.thats why i like this poem, and i want others to know that they shoudnt like a work of art because its popular, but because it means something to them
| Posted on 2009-10-15 | by a guest
Can we just stop arguing about Robert Frost and Twilight?
If Stephanie Meyer chose to include the poem in her book, she must have thought that it ment someting important in the book.she even gave him credit on the page. the poem stands for a lot, and can be interperated in many ways. If she used it to ilistrate Bella's and Edward's love, let her. If someone uses it to ilistrate the world, let them. i dont think people should be reading the work of robert frost if there just going to hate on him and people who use his work in there storys. I found out about this poem because it was on a tombstone in the cemetery i walk through.i got that the person believed what Frost said, and wanted the world to know he would rathed die quickly that slowly, and with honor.thats why i like this poem, and i want others to know that they shoudnt like a work of art because its popular, but because it means something to them
| Posted on 2009-10-15 | by a guest
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Can we just stop arguing about Robert Frost and Twilight?
If Stephanie Meyer chose to include the poem in her book, she must have thought that it ment someting important in the book.she even gave him credit on the page. the poem stands for a lot, and can be interperated in many ways. If she used it to ilistrate Bella's and Edward's love, let her. If someone uses it to ilistrate the world, let them. i dont people reading the work of robert frost if there just going to hate on him and people who use his work in there storys
| Posted on 2009-10-15 | by a guest
Can we just stop arguing about Robert Frost and Twilight?
If Stephanie Meyer chose to include the poem in her book, she must have thought that it ment someting important in the book.she even gave him credit on the page. the poem stands for a lot, and can be interperated in many ways. If she used it to ilistrate Bella's and Edward's love, let her. If someone uses it to ilistrate the world, let them. i dont people reading the work of robert frost if there just going to hate on him and people who use his work in there storys
| Posted on 2009-10-15 | by a guest
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Fire and Ice, on my opinion, depicts a choice: for passion or indifference. We are compelled to side with either.
| Posted on 2009-10-07 | by a guest
Fire and Ice, on my opinion, depicts a choice: for passion or indifference. We are compelled to side with either.
| Posted on 2009-10-07 | by a guest
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Fire and Ice is a poem the uses nature as a methapohr to illustrate the struggle in everyday human life. It supports Robert Frsot's theme of seduction of stasis (stillness). Like all of his poems Fire and Ice has a persona and a choice. Fire and Ice is NOT about death. It is about making a choice of struggle. he compares fire with ice to contrast them. Fire is destructive, chaotic, and fast. Unlike fire, ice is slow. Robert Frost is actually writing about the cold war which was when there were doubts of uing a nuclear bomb which would represent the fire. He also uses calloquil to show resolution at the end of the poem he is saying that either way it is still going to end abd everything will be still.
| Posted on 2009-10-06 | by a guest
Fire and Ice is a poem the uses nature as a methapohr to illustrate the struggle in everyday human life. It supports Robert Frsot's theme of seduction of stasis (stillness). Like all of his poems Fire and Ice has a persona and a choice. Fire and Ice is NOT about death. It is about making a choice of struggle. he compares fire with ice to contrast them. Fire is destructive, chaotic, and fast. Unlike fire, ice is slow. Robert Frost is actually writing about the cold war which was when there were doubts of uing a nuclear bomb which would represent the fire. He also uses calloquil to show resolution at the end of the poem he is saying that either way it is still going to end abd everything will be still.
| Posted on 2009-10-06 | by a guest
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Pity about all the teenyboppers here waxing lyrical about that nonsensical drivel otherwise known as 'Twilight'. But yes, I remember in my high school years we had to read Robert Frost - and like magic this poem was an instant favourite among all of us in class. I was never into poetry but Frost changed that. Obviously, compared to the great man, Stephanie Meyer is rubbish.
| Posted on 2009-10-02 | by a guest
Pity about all the teenyboppers here waxing lyrical about that nonsensical drivel otherwise known as 'Twilight'. But yes, I remember in my high school years we had to read Robert Frost - and like magic this poem was an instant favourite among all of us in class. I was never into poetry but Frost changed that. Obviously, compared to the great man, Stephanie Meyer is rubbish.
| Posted on 2009-10-02 | by a guest
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To all those who are compairing "Fire and Ice" with twilight, you all should just die. One is a classic work of poetry that will outlast all of us the other is teenage dribble that can not go away soon enough.
| Posted on 2009-09-21 | by a guest
To all those who are compairing "Fire and Ice" with twilight, you all should just die. One is a classic work of poetry that will outlast all of us the other is teenage dribble that can not go away soon enough.
| Posted on 2009-09-21 | by a guest
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"FIRE AND ICE" = THE END OF THE WORLD.
NOTHING TO DO WITH OTHERS THINGS, ALSO EVERYBODY CAN CREATE RELATION WITH ANYTHING, BUT THATS PERSONAL,IS NOT WATH THE POEM EXPRESS.
| Posted on 2009-09-06 | by a guest
"FIRE AND ICE" = THE END OF THE WORLD.
NOTHING TO DO WITH OTHERS THINGS, ALSO EVERYBODY CAN CREATE RELATION WITH ANYTHING, BUT THATS PERSONAL,IS NOT WATH THE POEM EXPRESS.
| Posted on 2009-09-06 | by a guest
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this poem is absouletly amaziing i came across it reading eclispe but NO it has nothing to do with twilight its just a poem stephanie myer wanted to but in the book as she found it amazing to nd btw i am a really big twilight fan but seriusly it ISNT about twilight he rote the poem way before staphanie rote twilight
| Posted on 2009-09-04 | by a guest
this poem is absouletly amaziing i came across it reading eclispe but NO it has nothing to do with twilight its just a poem stephanie myer wanted to but in the book as she found it amazing to nd btw i am a really big twilight fan but seriusly it ISNT about twilight he rote the poem way before staphanie rote twilight
| Posted on 2009-09-04 | by a guest
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This may sound stupid, but what exactly are we talking about? There's now some relevance between "Twilight" and "Fire and Ice"?? Are we really comparing one of the 20th century's greatest poets to some teen fiction author?
ANYWAY...
I think there are quite a few ways to interpret this poem. Literally, this is a poem about the end of the world. Many scientists believe either the earth would be incinerated, or a permanent ice age would gradually annihilate all life on earth. So that explains that...
Figuratively, Frost is saying that either desire (fire) or hate (ice) will destroy the world. The word "I" makes a personal connection, and the final line shows that both emotions are equally harmful. By using this line, Frost emphasizes the harm of both desire and hate in a relationship (relationship being "the world").
| Posted on 2009-09-01 | by a guest
This may sound stupid, but what exactly are we talking about? There's now some relevance between "Twilight" and "Fire and Ice"?? Are we really comparing one of the 20th century's greatest poets to some teen fiction author?
ANYWAY...
I think there are quite a few ways to interpret this poem. Literally, this is a poem about the end of the world. Many scientists believe either the earth would be incinerated, or a permanent ice age would gradually annihilate all life on earth. So that explains that...
Figuratively, Frost is saying that either desire (fire) or hate (ice) will destroy the world. The word "I" makes a personal connection, and the final line shows that both emotions are equally harmful. By using this line, Frost emphasizes the harm of both desire and hate in a relationship (relationship being "the world").
| Posted on 2009-09-01 | by a guest
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I think people should stop getting aggravated over the twilight issue. I found this poem in the series, but I loved of because it was an absolutely wonderful poem. This poem and Stephenie Myers publications are both wonderful works of art. I'm not sure any one of us could accomplish what Robert or Stephenie have done in their lives. I did come here to hear what others interpretted this poem's meaning to be, not to hear about twilight. But I'm not going to be angry and be rude to others because of it. Let's all act our age.
| Posted on 2009-07-27 | by a guest
I think people should stop getting aggravated over the twilight issue. I found this poem in the series, but I loved of because it was an absolutely wonderful poem. This poem and Stephenie Myers publications are both wonderful works of art. I'm not sure any one of us could accomplish what Robert or Stephenie have done in their lives. I did come here to hear what others interpretted this poem's meaning to be, not to hear about twilight. But I'm not going to be angry and be rude to others because of it. Let's all act our age.
| Posted on 2009-07-27 | by a guest
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to the people saying to stop talking about stephanie meyer. stop bringing it up...duh
| Posted on 2009-07-22 | by a guest
to the people saying to stop talking about stephanie meyer. stop bringing it up...duh
| Posted on 2009-07-22 | by a guest
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TWILIGHT AND THE POEM, "FIRE AND ICE" BY ROBERT FROST HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER.FROST IS TALKIN ABOUT THE THE CONTRADICTING POWER OF HATE AND IGNORENCE. HITTING SOMEONE IS JUST AS POWERFUL AS IGNORING IT WHEN IT HAPPENS.NO ONE IS BROUGHT TO JUSTICE.bOTH CAN EASILY DESTROY THE WORLD.STARTING AND CONTINUING WAR IS JUST AS POWERFUL AS IGNORING IT WHEN IT HAPPENS, BECAUSE IGNORING IT HAPPENING MEANS THAT YOU ARE LETTING IT CONTINUE.EVENTUALLY THE WORLD WILL END....WHOSE TO SAY AS TO WHETHER IT WILL END IN FIRE...OR ICE.PUTTING THIS POEM INTO STEPHANIE MYER'S ECLIPSE,IS PERFECTLY RATIONAL.sHE IS TAKING FROST'S POEM AND CONDENSING IT TO HOW BELLA'S WORLD COULD END. FIRE/JACOB...OR ICE/EDWARD.
| Posted on 2009-07-14 | by a guest
TWILIGHT AND THE POEM, "FIRE AND ICE" BY ROBERT FROST HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER.FROST IS TALKIN ABOUT THE THE CONTRADICTING POWER OF HATE AND IGNORENCE. HITTING SOMEONE IS JUST AS POWERFUL AS IGNORING IT WHEN IT HAPPENS.NO ONE IS BROUGHT TO JUSTICE.bOTH CAN EASILY DESTROY THE WORLD.STARTING AND CONTINUING WAR IS JUST AS POWERFUL AS IGNORING IT WHEN IT HAPPENS, BECAUSE IGNORING IT HAPPENING MEANS THAT YOU ARE LETTING IT CONTINUE.EVENTUALLY THE WORLD WILL END....WHOSE TO SAY AS TO WHETHER IT WILL END IN FIRE...OR ICE.PUTTING THIS POEM INTO STEPHANIE MYER'S ECLIPSE,IS PERFECTLY RATIONAL.sHE IS TAKING FROST'S POEM AND CONDENSING IT TO HOW BELLA'S WORLD COULD END. FIRE/JACOB...OR ICE/EDWARD.
| Posted on 2009-07-14 | by a guest
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FROST IS TRYING TO ANALYSE HOW THE WORLD MIGHT END HE SEES IT FROM BOTH THE PERSPECTIVES OF HATE AND COLDNESS.
IT CAN END FROM HATE BUT IT CAN ALSO END FROM COLDNESS OR RUDENESS .THERE IS NO CLEAR CONCLUSION
| Posted on 2009-07-05 | by a guest
FROST IS TRYING TO ANALYSE HOW THE WORLD MIGHT END HE SEES IT FROM BOTH THE PERSPECTIVES OF HATE AND COLDNESS.
IT CAN END FROM HATE BUT IT CAN ALSO END FROM COLDNESS OR RUDENESS .THERE IS NO CLEAR CONCLUSION
| Posted on 2009-07-05 | by a guest
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FROST IS TRYING TO ANALYSE HOW THE WORLD MIGHT END HE SEES IT FROM BOTH THE PERSPECTIVES OF HATE AND COLDNESS.
IT CAN END FROM HATE BUT IT CAN ALSO END FROM COLDNESS OR RUDENESS .THERE IS NO CLEAR CONCLUSION
| Posted on 2009-07-05 | by a guest
FROST IS TRYING TO ANALYSE HOW THE WORLD MIGHT END HE SEES IT FROM BOTH THE PERSPECTIVES OF HATE AND COLDNESS.
IT CAN END FROM HATE BUT IT CAN ALSO END FROM COLDNESS OR RUDENESS .THERE IS NO CLEAR CONCLUSION
| Posted on 2009-07-05 | by a guest
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I know good poetry when I see it and this is a good poem but everybody who says twilight ruined it or that twilight is stupid it's not they are fantastic books they make u appreciate good liturature I think that y'all say that because y'all are into poetry and not twilight and anyways you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover how would you feel if people judged this poem?if u just give twilight saga books a chance they would probably give Robert frost a chance and if u say twilight is stupid or ridiculas u should know !as for my finall words TWILIGHT,NEW MOON,ECLIPSE,AND BREAKING DAWN ARE THE BEST BOOKS AND MOVIES IN THE WORLD!PEACE OUT TWILIGHT FANS!
| Posted on 2009-06-23 | by a guest
I know good poetry when I see it and this is a good poem but everybody who says twilight ruined it or that twilight is stupid it's not they are fantastic books they make u appreciate good liturature I think that y'all say that because y'all are into poetry and not twilight and anyways you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover how would you feel if people judged this poem?if u just give twilight saga books a chance they would probably give Robert frost a chance and if u say twilight is stupid or ridiculas u should know !as for my finall words TWILIGHT,NEW MOON,ECLIPSE,AND BREAKING DAWN ARE THE BEST BOOKS AND MOVIES IN THE WORLD!PEACE OUT TWILIGHT FANS!
| Posted on 2009-06-23 | by a guest
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wow people think of something other than twilight yes i like it but robert frost wrote this before stephenie meyer could write or even thought of makeing the book and yr=es she might have her own reason behind puting the poem in the book but robert frost has a different meaning and im looking for his not hers.
| Posted on 2009-06-22 | by a guest
wow people think of something other than twilight yes i like it but robert frost wrote this before stephenie meyer could write or even thought of makeing the book and yr=es she might have her own reason behind puting the poem in the book but robert frost has a different meaning and im looking for his not hers.
| Posted on 2009-06-22 | by a guest
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i think everyone should drop all the twilight shizz. this poem is amazing, i did alot of work in english on it, i agree the poem can perfectly link in some way to Edward and Jacob, however i think we need to all remember it has a meaning behind it and was written long before twilight came along. the sadest thing is, Stephanie Meyer must obviously like this poem and i think she would be shocked at the idea that putting this poem in one of her books (i will admit i found it there) as caused so much disagreements. no one forget among this petty arguing, what a fantastic poem this is
| Posted on 2009-06-18 | by a guest
i think everyone should drop all the twilight shizz. this poem is amazing, i did alot of work in english on it, i agree the poem can perfectly link in some way to Edward and Jacob, however i think we need to all remember it has a meaning behind it and was written long before twilight came along. the sadest thing is, Stephanie Meyer must obviously like this poem and i think she would be shocked at the idea that putting this poem in one of her books (i will admit i found it there) as caused so much disagreements. no one forget among this petty arguing, what a fantastic poem this is
| Posted on 2009-06-18 | by a guest
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i think it simply means, why worry about something as silly as how the world will end. Its pointless , hate and desire will both lead to your end. nobody knows anything
| Posted on 2009-06-08 | by a guest
i think it simply means, why worry about something as silly as how the world will end. Its pointless , hate and desire will both lead to your end. nobody knows anything
| Posted on 2009-06-08 | by a guest
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I believe that in this poem, fire is the greed, gluttony and lust, like the seven deadly sins. While Ice is wrath, sloth, envy and pride. He's basically saying that any one of these sins have the power to destroy the world. And now this is my own opinion, and I mean no offense to anyone in this discussion, but I have a feeling the world has already come to a figurative end, probably long before this poem was ever written.
| Posted on 2009-06-08 | by a guest
I believe that in this poem, fire is the greed, gluttony and lust, like the seven deadly sins. While Ice is wrath, sloth, envy and pride. He's basically saying that any one of these sins have the power to destroy the world. And now this is my own opinion, and I mean no offense to anyone in this discussion, but I have a feeling the world has already come to a figurative end, probably long before this poem was ever written.
| Posted on 2009-06-08 | by a guest
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frost was a brilliant poet and you people have started talking about twighlight instead of the devices used in this poem to make it effectove. when the link of google said analysis i didnt think it was going to be random thoughts about how great twighlight is. btw i do like twighlight but i swear its everywhere like swine flu
| Posted on 2009-06-08 | by a guest
frost was a brilliant poet and you people have started talking about twighlight instead of the devices used in this poem to make it effectove. when the link of google said analysis i didnt think it was going to be random thoughts about how great twighlight is. btw i do like twighlight but i swear its everywhere like swine flu
| Posted on 2009-06-08 | by a guest
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This poem relates to Twilight because Edward is ice, and Jacob is fire (the temp. of their skin, etc.) but though Bella loves both of them, she would rather live her life with Edward, where she could die in two ways, or never die. It's a wonderful poem, one of my favs.
| Posted on 2009-06-02 | by a guest
This poem relates to Twilight because Edward is ice, and Jacob is fire (the temp. of their skin, etc.) but though Bella loves both of them, she would rather live her life with Edward, where she could die in two ways, or never die. It's a wonderful poem, one of my favs.
| Posted on 2009-06-02 | by a guest
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This poem relates to Twilight because Edward is ice, and Jacob is fire (the temp. of their skin, etc.) but though Bella loves both of them, she would rather live her life with Edward, where she could die in two ways, or never die. It's a wonderful poem, one of my favs.
| Posted on 2009-06-02 | by a guest
This poem relates to Twilight because Edward is ice, and Jacob is fire (the temp. of their skin, etc.) but though Bella loves both of them, she would rather live her life with Edward, where she could die in two ways, or never die. It's a wonderful poem, one of my favs.
| Posted on 2009-06-02 | by a guest
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I agree with the more serious posts here, so no need to repeat them. I just don't understand what the poem relates to Twilight besides the reference to fire and ice. But I'll leave you all to your devices and watch amused, confused, and full of popcorn.
| Posted on 2009-06-01 | by a guest
I agree with the more serious posts here, so no need to repeat them. I just don't understand what the poem relates to Twilight besides the reference to fire and ice. But I'll leave you all to your devices and watch amused, confused, and full of popcorn.
| Posted on 2009-06-01 | by a guest
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i agree with the one posted on 2009-05-27.
this is great symoblism. and how strong both these emothions are it is a verystrong and meaningfull poem.
and brings you to alot of thinking
| Posted on 2009-05-31 | by a guest
i agree with the one posted on 2009-05-27.
this is great symoblism. and how strong both these emothions are it is a verystrong and meaningfull poem.
and brings you to alot of thinking
| Posted on 2009-05-31 | by a guest
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Uh...isn't this supposed to be about Robert Frost's poem, and NOT about Stephenie Meyer or Twilight?? Frost has so much more talent than her and I don't think a comparison of the two is even possible. Bella and Edward have an impossible relationship that isn't realistic since they knew each other for hardly any time at all and they were all of a sudden "in love". Not to mention, vampires sparkling is just REDICULOUS. There are so many books just like Twilight out there, and there is nothing different about Stephenie's, except that it has gained more recognition. I wish people would stop getting so hyped up about this just because they can't comprehend the better writing out there.
Now anyway, about the poem...I believe Frost is talking about the destruction desire and hate can do while using fire and ice as a metaphor. Both emotions can be very destructive to the soul and can lead to death.
| Posted on 2009-05-27 | by a guest
Uh...isn't this supposed to be about Robert Frost's poem, and NOT about Stephenie Meyer or Twilight?? Frost has so much more talent than her and I don't think a comparison of the two is even possible. Bella and Edward have an impossible relationship that isn't realistic since they knew each other for hardly any time at all and they were all of a sudden "in love". Not to mention, vampires sparkling is just REDICULOUS. There are so many books just like Twilight out there, and there is nothing different about Stephenie's, except that it has gained more recognition. I wish people would stop getting so hyped up about this just because they can't comprehend the better writing out there.
Now anyway, about the poem...I believe Frost is talking about the destruction desire and hate can do while using fire and ice as a metaphor. Both emotions can be very destructive to the soul and can lead to death.
| Posted on 2009-05-27 | by a guest
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Which is better Fire or Ice? both are bad and both can desroy the world. I think Frost likes to meake us think and wonder which would be worse or better what do yall guys think. I think that Fire is a better way to die becuz you die faster, but with ice you have to freeze foir a long time first.
| Posted on 2009-05-24 | by a guest
Which is better Fire or Ice? both are bad and both can desroy the world. I think Frost likes to meake us think and wonder which would be worse or better what do yall guys think. I think that Fire is a better way to die becuz you die faster, but with ice you have to freeze foir a long time first.
| Posted on 2009-05-24 | by a guest
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This poems written by Robert frost people. he was born in 1874 so there's no way he stole S. Meyers. work. He died before she was even born. People, look under the peom. it clearly gives credit to Mr. Frost. Meyer was born 10 years after Frost died. there's no plagiarism any where in the poem or the book. this poem has a good connection to Bella's relations ships with Jacob and Edward. And if you people bothered to learn about the author and the poem you wouldn't be passing this stupid claims that Frost stole Meyers poem. jeez. do yourselves a favor and find a new hobby.
thanks.
-Shelby.
| Posted on 2009-05-22 | by a guest
This poems written by Robert frost people. he was born in 1874 so there's no way he stole S. Meyers. work. He died before she was even born. People, look under the peom. it clearly gives credit to Mr. Frost. Meyer was born 10 years after Frost died. there's no plagiarism any where in the poem or the book. this poem has a good connection to Bella's relations ships with Jacob and Edward. And if you people bothered to learn about the author and the poem you wouldn't be passing this stupid claims that Frost stole Meyers poem. jeez. do yourselves a favor and find a new hobby.
thanks.
-Shelby.
| Posted on 2009-05-22 | by a guest
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I have loved Robert Frost's work for 30 years. I have just enjoyed reading the Twilight series. I thought Meyer quoted Frost appropriately and comparison is not necessary. "Fire and Ice" reflects both dramatic difference, but also, in their action result in the same destruction. Does it matter how the world is destroyed and is it worth spending time worrying about it?
| Posted on 2009-05-20 | by a guest
I have loved Robert Frost's work for 30 years. I have just enjoyed reading the Twilight series. I thought Meyer quoted Frost appropriately and comparison is not necessary. "Fire and Ice" reflects both dramatic difference, but also, in their action result in the same destruction. Does it matter how the world is destroyed and is it worth spending time worrying about it?
| Posted on 2009-05-20 | by a guest
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frost wanted to express the kind of "meanings of life" concept. How we are strayed to believe the different things that we encounter in the day to day basis
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this is robert frosts' poem not by s . meyer.
but i still love twilight!!!
| Posted on 2009-05-18 | by a guest
frost wanted to express the kind of "meanings of life" concept. How we are strayed to believe the different things that we encounter in the day to day basis
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this is robert frosts' poem not by s . meyer.
but i still love twilight!!!
| Posted on 2009-05-18 | by a guest
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In the book Eclipse, it says that the poem is written by Robert Frost..she was just using his poem to symbolize the differences between Edward and Jacob. She's not pretending that she wrote it..can't someone quote something without getting insulted on their writting abilities? I think both Robert Frost and Stephenie Meyer are great writters, they have two different styles and you cannot compare them to the other, because they're different, they lived in differnt generations and they have their own uniqueness, so STOP saying that Stephenie's a bad writter! >:(
| Posted on 2009-05-17 | by a guest
In the book Eclipse, it says that the poem is written by Robert Frost..she was just using his poem to symbolize the differences between Edward and Jacob. She's not pretending that she wrote it..can't someone quote something without getting insulted on their writting abilities? I think both Robert Frost and Stephenie Meyer are great writters, they have two different styles and you cannot compare them to the other, because they're different, they lived in differnt generations and they have their own uniqueness, so STOP saying that Stephenie's a bad writter! >:(
| Posted on 2009-05-17 | by a guest
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Here you go morons who don't know what you are talking about. This is from an a reliable source, EBSCOhost, those of you who are familiar with real research, no plagiarism.
So it is with "Fire and Ice." Outer blatantly symbolizes inner. Fire is directly equated with desire, the kind that kindles antagonism and conflict. Ice is equated with hate. Fire and ice are born in the dark reaches of inner space, in the smoldering, ice-sheathed human heart. However, if the height of art is to conceal the art, then Frost is a consummate artist, because the terror in the poem is so casually understated that it slips by some readers undetected. The understatement is most evident in the fifth and last lines of the poem. "But if it had to perish twice," Frost says, as if the incineration of the world were little more than a passing sickness. "And would suffice," he concludes in a typically unemphatic last line. The use of first-person pronouns in lines 3, 4, and 6 also quietly contributes to the understatement, suggesting that the poem is only an expression of lightly held personal opinion. This deceptive strategy of understatement leads Shapley and Pobojewski to interpret the poem as idle cosmic speculation rather than an astute diagnosis of the chronic malfunction of the human heart.
I'm not going to give you the citation because you should go to real research sites for your information. DONT CHEAT! GO TO EBSCOhost. It is truly a wonderful source.
| Posted on 2009-05-13 | by a guest
Here you go morons who don't know what you are talking about. This is from an a reliable source, EBSCOhost, those of you who are familiar with real research, no plagiarism.
So it is with "Fire and Ice." Outer blatantly symbolizes inner. Fire is directly equated with desire, the kind that kindles antagonism and conflict. Ice is equated with hate. Fire and ice are born in the dark reaches of inner space, in the smoldering, ice-sheathed human heart. However, if the height of art is to conceal the art, then Frost is a consummate artist, because the terror in the poem is so casually understated that it slips by some readers undetected. The understatement is most evident in the fifth and last lines of the poem. "But if it had to perish twice," Frost says, as if the incineration of the world were little more than a passing sickness. "And would suffice," he concludes in a typically unemphatic last line. The use of first-person pronouns in lines 3, 4, and 6 also quietly contributes to the understatement, suggesting that the poem is only an expression of lightly held personal opinion. This deceptive strategy of understatement leads Shapley and Pobojewski to interpret the poem as idle cosmic speculation rather than an astute diagnosis of the chronic malfunction of the human heart.
I'm not going to give you the citation because you should go to real research sites for your information. DONT CHEAT! GO TO EBSCOhost. It is truly a wonderful source.
| Posted on 2009-05-13 | by a guest
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